ScoopMan Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I think you give the mfg too much credit. Maybe some are better than others, but if they like being in business without getting sued a lot, they will be motivated to sell products that work. Coil springs MUST be uniformly seated to work properly. If they are not you may get ugly rotations at the bearing point because the restraint the spring needs is not there. The spring ends are manufactured to make this happen. When you cut off the part that was designed to transfer the load and just leave a random end to carry about 1000 lb static and several times that dynamic, you are asking for trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 That sounds about right. Some people on here are happy to quietly run the crappiest Chinese knockoff parts, yet freak out about anything that would publicly associate this community with old Hondatech trends. I had to learn a lot about springs recently for my side hobby. All springs get cut, in the factory. Sure the OEM springs are engineered a specific shape, bit I figure your suspension is still safer than many of the lowered cars on this very forum, which by the way get no flack. Your camber curve and bump steer curve are probably right in spec, you're no where near hitting your bump stops relative to many people on here, your spring is still of OEM material, your top hat should be fine... Cutting springs isn't for me, and not for most people on here, but your spring is still going to be stiffer than a USDM stock spring, and at full droop you will still probably have more spring pressure than some progressive rate lowering springs on the market. Obviously if you screw up you may die, but it sounds like you are aware of that and appear to know something about cars, so good luck and have fun. Edit: Not saying others in here don't have very good points, because some sure do! I am hoping you seated the springs properly... [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I know more about the design and modification of springs than everyone in this thread, combined. Period. I think you give the mfg too much credit. I think you give YOURSELF too much credit. ...Your camber curve and bump steer curve are probably right in spec, you're no where near hitting your bump stops relative to many people on here, I polished my bumpstops to a glass like finish on the oem suspension. I suppose it depends on how hard you drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I polished my bumpstops to a glass like finish on the oem suspension. I suppose it depends on how hard you drive. Spec B has higher spring rate. I drove my car in Boston for years; had to get many alignments, but bump stops look fine, with various suspension iterations. It's more about what bumps you hit, how fast you hit them, etc. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodog Posted March 16, 2012 Author Share Posted March 16, 2012 That sounds about right. Some people on here are happy to quietly run the crappiest Chinese knockoff parts, yet freak out about anything that would publicly associate this community with old Hondatech trends. I had to learn a lot about springs recently for my side hobby. All springs get cut, in the factory. Sure the OEM springs are engineered a specific shape, bit I figure your suspension is still safer than many of the lowered cars on this very forum, which by the way get no flack. Your camber curve and bump steer curve are probably right in spec, you're no where near hitting your bump stops relative to many people on here, your spring is still of OEM material, your top hat should be fine... Cutting springs isn't for me, and not for most people on here, but your spring is still going to be stiffer than a USDM stock spring, and at full droop you will still probably have more spring pressure than some progressive rate lowering springs on the market. Obviously if you screw up you may die, but it sounds like you are aware of that and appear to know something about cars, so good luck and have fun. Edit: Not saying others in here don't have very good points, because some sure do! I am hoping you seated the springs properly... Thanks, you nailed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeylord Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Is that so they have increased Flo?http://i.imgur.com/cX3TU.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHolladay23 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Hey someone caught my terrible pun! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] You want stickers? Hit me up here!!! You want a shirt? Hit me up here!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joelwatts Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 this is win. all over. thanks. I'm a native of South Carolina. I am a dying breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodog Posted March 16, 2012 Author Share Posted March 16, 2012 Just aligned the car, at home, with string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmx045 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Whatchunoabout string theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Users seabass07 Posted March 16, 2012 Mega Users Share Posted March 16, 2012 He's obviously an expert at quantum mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeondacouch Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 If I cross-post from another thread, do they become entangled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Just aligned the car, at home, with string. While we're here, do you have any comments on doing the DIY alignment? I'm going to make a setup using jack stands and string. The local Firestone does not get it terribly right, and they take hours. Did you do camber? Was thinking a level and a ruler... will crunch the numbers in Excel. To be clear, I'm not endorsing cutting springs! Just asking about the alignment. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strizzy Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Just aligned the car, at home, with string. And your tampon didn't come out with it My bad luck build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lardo420 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 What did u assume for tolerance (H) on stock springs? And what did you use for "fixed" springs? And what did you cut them with? And where did you attain so much spring knowledge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonwacker Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 My 31-year-old chassis modification book tells me that K=(W^4 x G)/(8ND^3), where K=spring stiffness in lbs/in, W=wire diameter in inches, G = 12,000,000 for steel springs, N=number of active coils (free coils + 1/2), and D = diameter of the coil measured to center of wire, in inches. So, uh, there. I'm another expert now. Do I get a star? I've got equations for leaf springs, too, for whoever decides that what their LGT really needs is a live rear axle. But the author of my book also recommends putting your springs in the oven to shorten them. Just compress it and stick it in the oven at 400 for "a few minutes." It's very scientific. "With luck it is not too short!" But don't worry, since "any differences can be made up with metal shims." Because racecar. (thanks, Tracer-X!) sorry...this forum practically blows goat nuts so im not always on here.Team Pony Express POSTED FROM MY COMPUTER USING A WEB BROWSER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dudeondacouch Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Is that a picture of your peehole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I've got equations for leaf springs, too, for whoever decides that what their LGT really needs is a live rear axle. WOAHWAITAMINUTE! ... My LGT's rear axle isn't alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrw Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 While we're here, do you have any comments on doing the DIY alignment? I'm going to make a setup using jack stands and string. The local Firestone does not get it terribly right, and they take hours. Did you do camber? Was thinking a level and a ruler... will crunch the numbers in Excel. To be clear, I'm not endorsing cutting springs! Just asking about the alignment. SPC makes a cheap caster camber gauge with toe plates. That's what I'm using. Slide plates I'm using are just some plexi with grease between them(wasn't paying the money they wanted for the real deal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonwacker Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 WOAHWAITAMINUTE! ... My LGT's rear axle isn't alive? Not yet! But with a little welding, this could be you! http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NMf99tXHLD8/To7of20cSiI/AAAAAAAAAIU/jfNamrNjvQc/s1600/young_frankenstein1.jpg sorry...this forum practically blows goat nuts so im not always on here.Team Pony Express POSTED FROM MY COMPUTER USING A WEB BROWSER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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