SBT Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Of course you can always go post-apocalyptic on your heads. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 BTW, if you're worried about the effect on cam timing from milling the heads, and the change in CR, Siruda make good multi-layer metal gaskets in IIRC 0.6, 0.8, 1.0 and 1.2mm thickness. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 BTW, if you're worried about the effect on cam timing from milling the heads, and the change in CR, Siruda make good multi-layer metal gaskets in IIRC 0.6, 0.8, 1.0 and 1.2mm thickness. This discussion came up when I was spec'ing the build in 2012. John was of the opinion that extra thick gaskets caused more blowouts. As this one seems to have failed early, we'll see what it looks like. My biggest fear is pulling this all apart to find the gaskets are fine and something else went wrong. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 My biggest fear is pulling this all apart to find the gaskets are fine and something else went wrong. Tell me about it. My simple HG fix turned into one oval bore, one cracked head, one cracked ring land, a warped deck and a set of big-end shells about to fail. I don't actually know if the crack in the head caused the gasket to leak or the other way around. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 Tell me about it. My simple HG fix turned into one oval bore, one cracked head, one cracked ring land, a warped deck and a set of big-end shells about to fail. I don't actually know if the crack in the head caused the gasket to leak or the other way around. Yup, that's what I need more horror stories. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Yup, that's what I need more horror stories. Always glad to be of assistance. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzr750r1 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Good ol Can of worms. Just like any project can become. Main thing is not loose focus on the goals and plow forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 got the timing belt off, after figuring out that the covers on the cam sprockets have oil in them. Intuitively I knew this. However, I sat there dumbfounded as oil ran out all over the belt and sprocket. At least the timing belt was already toast from prying on the tensioner pulley with a big screwdriver. When everything is nice and tight, putting a bit of torque on the TB to get the tensioner loose isn't a big deal. However, once you loosen the TB and the tensioner goes Boing!, hello 18" screwdriver! All the TB pulley spin slowly (that's good, right?), however, they all show signs of throwing bearing grease out of their seals. Looks like all of them are KOYO brand. Hopefully, that's still in the OEM kit? Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 Good ol Can of worms. Just like any project can become. Main thing is not loose focus on the goals and plow forward. Plowing forward blindly is what leads to drama. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 I may have gotten damn lucky taking the TB off. Didn't tighten the cam tool all the way down. Sigh...released the backing vise grip and the lower sprocket moved 1/2 a tooth. Onto the cam sprocket tools. Reading the instructions again to be sure I got it right this time. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 You know that time of night when you just want to get something done? When you are in the middle of doing starting something so stupid, "Hold my beer" and "Darwin" comments start rising to your consciousness? That's now. Was in the process of using the engine hoist to lift the toolbox to drop in the toolbox cart because I was tired of running to the trailer for yet another tool. Figured I'd put the toolbox together and move everything in at one time. Assembled empty toolbox is a bit more than I can deadlift. When I started shielding the car with cardboard & foam, the "hold my beer" thought appeared. When I pulled the toolbox over to the crane and started working on a Macgyver attachment method for the chains, the "darwin" thoughts appeared. The older, wiser part of me disassembled the "rube goldberg" part of the plan and took me out of the garage. Cam sprockets with Company23 tools - New Year's Eve. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc6 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 It's already out and delayed a bit, grab a short block. 2005 Satin White Pearl Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT Unlimited 5EAT (Project Car) 2019 Agate Black Ford Explorer XLT 4WD (DD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzr750r1 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Blindly pushing forward is a danger... Least with "hold my beer" you have a sign to take a step back and look at WTF your doing. As for the darwin moments, yes I agree. Was opening a special edition Sam Adams at a friends house. Before trying to reef the champagne like cork out I adjusted trajectory to be the ceiling if it blew off with any force. Friend smiled, "Good Choice", as I moved away from the light fixture over the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxman Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 All the TB pulley spin slowly (that's good, right?), however, they all show signs of throwing bearing grease out of their seals. Looks like all of them are KOYO brand. Hopefully, that's still in the OEM kit? All bearings will spin grease out of them. That's why I laugh at the concept of "sealed" bearings or "lifetime" bearings. All that they're telling you is that they're not serviceable, not that they're made from unicorn tears and magically last forever. If it were me I'd just replace them all, then you don't have to second guess your choice for the next 70k miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxman Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Roll the tool box upside down, attach the legs and bottom shelf. Roll the box 90 degrees. Then to the same again and it's up on it's wheels. You never have to do a full dead lift of the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 All bearings will spin grease out of them. That's why I laugh at the concept of "sealed" bearings or "lifetime" bearings. All that they're telling you is that they're not serviceable, not that they're made from unicorn tears and magically last forever. If it were me I'd just replace them all, then you don't have to second guess your choice for the next 70k miles. I've been harboring delusions that I was doing this to save money. Now I realize I'm doing this because the ROI on hired labor costs just wasn't worth it. I'm spending about the same, which equates to getting an education. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 Roll the tool box upside down, attach the legs and bottom shelf. Roll the box 90 degrees. Then to the same again and it's up on it's wheels. You never have to do a full dead lift of the box. In the light of day, I realized laying the cart on its side and sliding the toolbox into its clutches, then tilting it upright was far less dangerous and more safe than whatever crazy thing I was thinking of last night. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxman Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I've been harboring delusions that I was doing this to save money. Now I realize I'm doing this because the ROI on hired labor costs just wasn't worth it. I'm spending about the same, which equates to getting an education. And that's they way I justify things to myself, besides, at the end you wind up with the knowledge and the tooling to do it again. And chances are you'll wind up doing it again. I don't save money, but I do maximize the value of what I've spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTris Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Subaru College! Funny thing, these rebuilds. At the end of long sessions, one can start to think strangely. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloudSeed777 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Subaru College! Funny thing, these rebuilds. At the end of long sessions, one can start to think strangely. . He means losing one's sanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidInSeattle Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Your original thought to have a webcam running at all times was a good one. Some visuals to go along with the words would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzr750r1 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Have a file of a communication room retrofit over the course of a weekend from a few years back. Gives folks a better understanding what it takes to gut a room and get it back in service during the down time. One picture every 90 seconds string them together and you have a benny hill credit reel. There is an app that makes a movie of the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 Your original thought to have a webcam running at all times was a good one. Some visuals to go along with the words would be awesome. I was all set to do that. Then remembered the GoPro 3 is still on the stealth purchase list. Then again, maybe its purchase got lost in the all the angst of that race weekend. I'll try to hang it up for tonight's activities. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 more updates to the tools needed list. HF is rapidly becoming a regular stop on the way home. If they could roll a truck of 1 of everything, I'd probably save money in the long run. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidInSeattle Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 That reminds me. Their 3 ton low profile Jack is on sale for 80 bucks. Think I will go there too. I have a GoPro that I "bought" from the company store. Being a good employee has perks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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