sokalled Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Nope, but if you want a Buick Regal there's plenty of information here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilCamaroSS Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 So we really don't have any news on the 2014 Legacy huh? Shocking, considering there are online resources saying they are available to order on May 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenzo Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Shocking, considering there are online resources saying they are available to order on May 1st. I guess Subaru's pretty excited about sharing all the awesome changes. Looks like I'll just keep putting miles on the '08 Spec.B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 You can always look at the UK specs: http://subaru.co.uk/vehicles/legacy/#compare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 ^ And it pisses me off to no end that they use the Legacy Wagon to promote their product line, and we can't even get one here. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubOperator Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 SOA hates Legacy Wagons. I guess it's personal. 2005 LGT Wagon Limited 6 MT RBP Stage 2 - 248K 2007 B9 Tribeca Limited DGM - 258K SOLD - 2005 OB Limited 5 MT Silver - 245K SOLD - 2010 OB 6 MT Silver - 205K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Without the Legacy Wagon, they wouldn't have an Outback. <---that's a period - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 ^ And it pisses me off to no end that they use the Legacy Wagon to promote their product line, and we can't even get one here. Look at their prices though The cheapest version is 26900 quids = over 42k CAD f... that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Price of entry to live there. Normale as they say in Italia. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 SOA hates Legacy Wagons. I guess it's personal. I'm pretty sure it's America that's hates wagons. So many have left the market. The ones that remain are languishing. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I'm pretty sure it's America that's hates wagons. So many have left the market. The ones that remain are languishing. Not completely true. Look at VW. Can't keep their TDI wagons on the lot. Subaru brings a Legacy wagon Diesel and it will sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Agreed, but what is the price difference between a Legacy DIT and VWs versions? That may be a "buy" factor. Also, presume there's some Subaru management decision not to leach sales from the Outback line. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 It seems that most of the people that want wagons are the ones that already have wagons and they hold onto them forever. If I were a manufacturer, I would build a wagon version 1 year after the new chassis production has begun, but only produce the wagon for 2 years, like the Cadillac CTS wagon or Dodge Magnum (3 years). Then you don't have dealers complaining they can't move the cars. With low production numbers, wagon enthusiasts will come from far and wide for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 It seems that most of the people that want wagons are the ones that already have wagons and they hold onto them forever. If I were a manufacturer, I would build a wagon version 1 year after the new chassis production has begun, but only produce the wagon for 2 years, like the Cadillac CTS wagon or Dodge Magnum (3 years). Then you don't have dealers complaining they can't move the cars. With low production numbers, wagon enthusiasts will come from far and wide for one. I suggested a similar argument for Legacy GT, Spec.B, & LSTI models - make each one for a single year, rotate through, and they'll meet pent up demand without saturating the market for each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 ^ and ^^ both brilliant ideas. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Not completely true. Look at VW. Can't keep their TDI wagons on the lot. Subaru brings a Legacy wagon Diesel and it will sell Subaru brings a diesel, and it will sell. Wagons are dead for the time being. It will take the hatch friendly youth to grow up and want wagons over their parents' boring sedans. Then the kids of the wagoneers will want sedans. The cycle begins anew. All the major wagon players including VW have dropped most if not all of their wagons. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 And yet Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, VW, and other mainstreamers are keeping a conventional wagon in their mix. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 And yet Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, VW, and other mainstreamers are keeping a conventional wagon in their mix. All that you listed are luxury brands with the exception of the VW Jetta wagon which is still the 5th generation Jetta despite the 6th generation being 3 model years in. Those luxury versions aren't even entry level vehicles. All of those manufacturers offer a plethora of USDM CUVS surrounding their sole wagon offering. Lexus? CT200 is a hatch. Where did the 5 series BMW Wagon go? C Class Wagon? Passat Wagon? A4 Wagon? (although its rebirth as an Allroad sort of counts), A6 Wagon?, Malibu Maxx? Magnum? Jag X type? Mazda 6? V50? V70? When was the last time Toyota or Honda offered a bona fide wagon? Focus wagon became a hatch, Impreza wagon became a hatch, Elantra wagon became a hatch, Mazda Mp3 wagon became a hatch Even the Caliber and A3 hatches are sedans for the current generation. I don't know what you're basing your opinion on, but it's not rooted in fact. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrD123 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Where did the 5 series BMW Wagon go?It is now called the 5 series "Gran Turismo"... I guess it's getting sort of hatch-back like, though... Volvo has the XC60/70/90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higuma Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 ...Wagons are dead for the time being. It will take the hatch friendly youth to grow up and want wagons over their parents' boring sedans. Then the kids of the wagoneers will want sedans. The cycle begins anew. You forgot to prerequisite this with a "In the USA..." preface... Wagons are no where near dead in a vast majority of the rest of the world... They are very popular with the post-baby boomers like myself... In Japan for example - production numbers for Legacy Touring Wagon vs Outback vs Legacy B4 sedans are 63.45% - 15.47% - 21.08% respectively ( published production numbers to end of Dec. 2012 )... That means that of Legacy models produced in Japan ~ 78.92% produced are wagons... New cars here are not siting around on car lots waiting for buyers - they are for the most part sold purely on the basis of manufactured units ( we just don't have the space to have 1,000's of cars sitting around )... In my case when I went to the dealer to buy a DIT wagon I had to wait for 3 months for them to make it because all the others were already spoken for... In the USA wagons may be dead for the time being - but if they were to import / manufacture 300 hp DIT wagons like here in Japan methinks they might sell quite a few.... Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 It is now called the 5 series "Gran Turismo"... I guess it's getting sort of hatch-back like, though... Volvo has the XC60/70/90 The 5 Series GT is not a wagon. It's a weird hatchback, crossover. I'm pretty sure we were talking about traditional wagons. All of those Volvos are all crossovers. You forgot to prerequisite this with a "In the USA..." preface... Wagons are no where near dead in a vast majority of the rest of the world... They are very popular with the post-baby boomers like myself... In Japan for example - production numbers for Legacy Touring Wagon vs Outback vs Legacy B4 sedans are 63.45% - 15.47% - 21.08% respectively ( published production numbers to end of Dec. 2012 )... That means that of Legacy models produced in Japan ~ 78.92% produced are wagons... New cars here are not siting around on car lots waiting for buyers - they are for the most part sold purely on the basis of manufactured units ( we just don't have the space to have 1,000's of cars sitting around )... In my case when I went to the dealer to buy a DIT wagon I had to wait for 3 months for them to make it because all the others were already spoken for... In the USA wagons may be dead for the time being - but if they were to import / manufacture 300 hp DIT wagons like here in Japan methinks they might sell quite a few.... Cheers, ughh... yes I did... It's the entire purpose of this conversation. I'm pretty sure it's America that's hates wagons. So many have left the market. The ones that remain are languishing. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Per Edmunds.com there are 29 different wagons available in the USDM. Only two of those are considered (IMHO), Premium >$55K, and only three are considered upscale $45K-$55K. Included in the mix: Acura TSX Wagon Audi A3 Diesel Mitsubishi Outlander Sport Audi A3 Wagon Audi A4 Wagon Audi Allroad Wagon BMW 3 Series Wagon Cadillac CTS-V Wagon Cadillac CTS Wagon Dodge Caliber Wagon Ford C-Max Energi Wagon Ford C-Max Hybrid Wagon Ford Flex Wagon Mitsubishi Outlander Sport Kia Soul Wagon Lincoln MKT Wagon Mercedes Benz E-Class Wagon Mercedes Benz R-Class Wagon Mercedes Benz R-Class Diesel Wagon Mini Cooper Clubvan Wagon Mini Cooper Countryman JCW ALL4 Mini Cooper Countryman Wagon Nissan Cube Wagon Saab 9-3 Griffin Wagon Scion X-B Wagon Subaru Outback Wagon Toyota Prius V Wagon Toyota Venza Wagon (B4 - we've argued about this one before) Volkswagen Jetta Sportwagen Diesel Wagon Volkswagen Sportwagen Wagon Volvo XC70 Wagon So there's several variants out there in the USDM. And Subaru has one of the best "wagon" platforms in that mix. It's just setup to be an SUV. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Come on! this list is reaching. Take out trim levels, call a hatch a hatch, call a crossover a crossover. USDM traditional wagons are a dying breed. Most are gone, and the recently created offerings don't sell (CTS and TSX). Manufacturers are all about creating crossovers and hatches for the US Market instead of traditional wagons as Americans don't want them. Per Edmunds.com there are 29 different wagons available in the USDM. Only two of those are considered (IMHO), Premium >$55K, and only three are considered upscale $45K-$55K. Included in the mix: Acura TSX Wagon Languishing Audi A3 Hatch being replaced with a sedan Mitsubishi Outlander Sport Crossover Audi A4 Wagon Gone Audi Allroad Wagon Crossover BMW 3 Series Wagon Rare Cadillac CTS Wagon Languishing Dodge Caliber Wagon Hatch being replaced with a sedan Ford C-Max hatch Ford Flex Wagon Minivan without sliding doors Kia Soul Wagon hatch Lincoln MKT Wagon Crossover Mercedes Benz E-Class Wagon Rare Mercedes Benz R-Class Wagon Languishing and based of a 3 generation ago Mercedes Mini Cooper Countryman Crossover Nissan Cube Wagon Hatch Scion X-B Wagon hatch Subaru Outback Wagon Crossover Toyota Prius V Wagon Hatch Toyota Venza Wagon Crossover Volkswagen Sportwagen Wagon Volvo XC70 Wagon Crossover So there's several variants out there in the USDM. And Subaru has one of the best "wagon" platforms in that mix. It's just setup to be an SUV. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXR4T Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Come on! this list is reaching. Take out trim levels, call a hatch a hatch, call a crossover a crossover. USDM traditional wagons are a dying breed. Most are gone, and the recently created offerings don't sell (CTS and TSX). Manufacturers are all about creating crossovers and hatches for the US Market instead of traditional wagons as Americans don't want them. Crazy talk.. I am American and I want a wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXR4T Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Also, at the open house for the dealership here in Salt Lake, I asked the parts manager his opinion on whether the diesel would make it here or not. He said that it had been put on the back burner due to the hybrid technology crap now. I would much rather have a diesel. He said it was due to the emissions politics between everywhere else and here in the states. I also asked him what he thought about the legacy turbo coming back. He doesn't think it will but I like to hope that he is wrong, especially with the 2.0 GT getting much better MPG. 2.0 GT Legacy Wagon PLEASE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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