DrD123 Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I am not that hopeful that the next gen legacy will have a Turbo engine.I don't know... the H6 is an old engine now, and the 5AT is an old transmission... they are quite clearly moving to smaller displacement engines and CVT transmissions - look at the engine in the '14 Forester - it's the direct-injection, turbocharged 2L F series engine (FA20, I think) making 250hp at 5600rpm/258ft-lbs from 2000-4800rpm. A version of that engine is in the JDM Legacy putting out approx. 300hp/300ft-lbs... The '14 Forester also gets 23mpg city, 28mpg highway The H6 puts out 256hp at 6krpm/247 ft-lbs at 4400rpm and gets 18mpg city, 25mpg highway Comparing the FA20 turbo + CVT combination to the H6/5AT combination, the former looks like a much better choice... If Subaru is trying to minimize the variation in their cars to keep parts costs down, I wouldn't be surprised to see the FA20 and FB25 engines be the only engines available once we get into 2014, dropping the H6 and the EJ25... so maybe something like: Legacy: FB25 or FA20 turbo with the CVT or 6spd Impreza/Crosstrek: FA20 with the CVT or 5spd (wouldn't be surprised to see them drop the 5 and go to the 6spd in the Legacy) Forester: FB25 or FA20 turbo with the CVT WRX/STi: FA20 turbo with the 5 or 6spd (again - maybe the 5spd goes away?) the complicating factor is the Tribeca... maybe that stays with the H6 until they kill it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orndog Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 They sure spent some dough updating the EJ25 in the '13 Legacy with timing chain etc to kill it off so soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 They sure spent some dough updating the EJ25 in the '13 Legacy with timing chain etc to kill it off so soon. That's no longer an EJ. It's the all new FB series engine. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 If Subaru is trying to minimize the variation in their cars to keep parts costs down, I wouldn't be surprised to see the FA20 and FB25 engines be the only engines available once we get into 2014, dropping the H6 and the EJ25... so maybe something like: Legacy: FB25 or FA20 turbo with the CVT or 6spd Impreza/Crosstrek: FA20 with the CVT or 5spd (wouldn't be surprised to see them drop the 5 and go to the 6spd in the Legacy) Forester: FB25 or FA20 turbo with the CVT WRX/STi: FA20 turbo with the 5 or 6spd (again - maybe the 5spd goes away?) the complicating factor is the Tribeca... maybe that stays with the H6 until they kill it? The Tribeca is sales are abysmally low and I suspect it will be axed soon. One model you forgot to mention is the Outback which is Subaru's best selling vehicle in the US and has been the leader for a long time now. The current generation outback is more SUV like and the sales of the Outback alone has a lot influence on the Legacy. I suspect the H6 is more desirable to the typical car buyer for towing in the Outback than a small displacement turbo 4. Subaru could always develop (or use the FA20 Turbo) a CVT for the 3.6 H6 motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orndog Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 That's no longer an EJ. It's the all new FB series engine. Thanks for the info, just makes my reasoning stronger that they'll leave a 2.5 in the lineup too. The Tribeca is sales are abysmally low and I suspect it will be axed soon. One model you forgot to mention is the Outback which is Subaru's best selling vehicle in the US and has been the leader for a long time now. The current generation outback is more SUV like and the sales of the Outback alone has a lot influence on the Legacy. I suspect the H6 is more desirable to the typical car buyer for towing in the Outback than a small displacement turbo 4. Subaru could always develop (or use the FA20 Turbo) a CVT for the 3.6 H6 motor. They have to make the CVT live with the extra torque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 They have to make the CVT live with the extra torque. The turbo 2.0l in the Japanese Legacy DIT makes 296 hp and 295 lbs/ft torque. It's mated to Subaru's new high horsepower CVT. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The turbo 2.0l in the Japanese Legacy DIT makes 296 hp and 295 lbs/ft torque. It's mated to Subaru's new high horsepower CVT. Even though that's been mentioned many times here, it seems many still aren't aware of it. If it can handle 296/295 in production trim, I bet it could probably handle substantially more. I wouldn't doubt they overbuilt it to make sure they didn't have any failures like the old ECVT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubOperator Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I don't know... the H6 is an old engine now, and the 5AT is an old transmission... they are quite clearly moving to smaller displacement engines and CVT transmissions - look at the engine in the '14 Forester - it's the direct-injection, turbocharged 2L F series engine (FA20, I think) making 250hp at 5600rpm/258ft-lbs from 2000-4800rpm. A version of that engine is in the JDM Legacy putting out approx. 300hp/300ft-lbs... The '14 Forester also gets 23mpg city, 28mpg highway The H6 puts out 256hp at 6krpm/247 ft-lbs at 4400rpm and gets 18mpg city, 25mpg highway Comparing the FA20 turbo + CVT combination to the H6/5AT combination, the former looks like a much better choice... If Subaru is trying to minimize the variation in their cars to keep parts costs down, I wouldn't be surprised to see the FA20 and FB25 engines be the only engines available once we get into 2014, dropping the H6 and the EJ25... so maybe something like: Legacy: FB25 or FA20 turbo with the CVT or 6spd Impreza/Crosstrek: FA20 with the CVT or 5spd (wouldn't be surprised to see them drop the 5 and go to the 6spd in the Legacy) Forester: FB25 or FA20 turbo with the CVT WRX/STi: FA20 turbo with the 5 or 6spd (again - maybe the 5spd goes away?) the complicating factor is the Tribeca... maybe that stays with the H6 until they kill it? Good analysis... Dare I say - may be FHI develops 6 cylinder version of FA20? Lots of engine parts could be shared and fuel economy would be great. This would allow them to drop or EOL current 3.6 H6 and gain better fuel economy. I would like to see new Tribeca wtih 6 cylinder turbo based on FA20 and new CVT. That would be great replacement for our 2007 B9. 2005 LGT Wagon Limited 6 MT RBP Stage 2 - 248K 2007 B9 Tribeca Limited DGM - 258K SOLD - 2005 OB Limited 5 MT Silver - 245K SOLD - 2010 OB 6 MT Silver - 205K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 That's no longer an EJ. It's the all new FB series engine. So will we see a 2.0T in 2014? Or 2015? Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sokalled Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 "So will we see a 2.0T in 2014? Or 2015?" That's the million dollar question. I too am in the market for a new ride. I don't like the current engine otions in the Impreza/Crosstek & Legacy/Outback so much that I'm seriously considering the '14 XT. This puts me in a waiting game for news about the '14 Legacy & '14 Crosstek before I make my decision. NEWS! I get that the midsize market is so compettative that they have to keep things under wrap, but it's really trying my patience. I really don't want to end up with a '14 XT and a month later hear about a Turbo Crosstek & Turbo Legacy, I would be so pissed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyWilly Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Subscribed. If they dont put the 2.0t in the Legacy by MY2015 I will have to overspend on an Audi or BMW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Subscribed. If they dont put the 2.0t in the Legacy by MY2015 I will have to overspend on an Audi or BMW. I'd be willing to bet they do. I'm really hoping we get the Legacy GT DIT then. I can't wait to see what it'll look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted February 28, 2013 Author Share Posted February 28, 2013 I'd prefer to just win a Tesla Model S and call it good. Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItnStln Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Diesel with CVT... The diesel engine would be aweaome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WC3322 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Really wish the GT would return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Me Too! ^^^ Maybe in 2015 with the redesign... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyWilly Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I talked to the Subaru folks at the car show in Philly and they said no plans for another LGT in the future due to buying trends. They also knew much less about Subaru than the average member of this forum. I ended up taking over the rep's discussion with some customers after she couldn't answer questions about awd. In the end I realized they didn't know much about the cars, so hopefully they dont know much about future production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellesedil Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I talked to the Subaru folks at the car show in Philly and they said no plans for another LGT in the future due to buying trends. They also knew much less about Subaru than the average member of this forum. I ended up taking over the rep's discussion with some customers after she couldn't answer questions about awd. In the end I realized they didn't know much about the cars, so hopefully they dont know much about future production. I'm not so sure, but it's possible. While there may certainly be engineers present, most of the organization for shows is done by business types. Killing a trim option is certainly a business decision instead of an engineering decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerMunkee Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 If they make the Legacy with the 2.0T and CVT, I'll trade in my 2012 Sonata 2.0T right away. I'm still considering a '14 XT to lease for a few years. Common Subaru, give us a fast turbo Legacy with over 30MPG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilCamaroSS Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 If they make the Legacy with the 2.0T and CVT, I'll trade in my 2012 Sonata 2.0T right away. I'm still considering a '14 XT to lease for a few years. Common Subaru, give us a fast turbo Legacy with over 30MPG! I'll take any non-STi Subaru Sedan with a turbo and a 6 speed. It's crazy that they don't even offer it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 Didn't win a Tesla over the weekend... back to hoping for something inspirational in the '15 model. Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubOperator Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I'll take any non-STi Subaru Sedan with a turbo and a 6 speed. It's crazy that they don't even offer it. they are after camcord, none of which offers what you want. no business case. 2005 LGT Wagon Limited 6 MT RBP Stage 2 - 248K 2007 B9 Tribeca Limited DGM - 258K SOLD - 2005 OB Limited 5 MT Silver - 245K SOLD - 2010 OB 6 MT Silver - 205K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilCamaroSS Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 they are after camcord, none of which offers what you want. no business case. Even ford comes close to offering what I want. Stupid Fusion Titanium 6 spd auto with paddle shift. If I had the 55K I'd just get a 335xi or a S4. I'm sorry if anyone owns one, but the 2013 STi Sedan looks like someone puked it out. The wing is hideous, and the hatch looks like a bubble on wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerMunkee Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 A 2012 Taurus SHO with under 20k miles can be had for $30k. Great bargain. A tune away from a 12 second car. If Subaru doesn't come out with the turbo Legacy, I'm going to wait for the 2013 SHO to drop below $30k. More technology (push button, cooled seats, heated steering wheel, massage seats, etc etc etc) than Subbie will ever have. Looks like a new one can be had for $38k with discounts...hmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 A Taurus isn't the same size class as a Legacy by a Long shot. That goes up against the Avalons, Maximas, Azeras, and Impalas of the world. If you're looking for a feature rich boat, there are better choices out there... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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