Drinyth Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Bump for stage 2. I think it'll be more of a novelty thing for me for a few days, but I'm almost certain to go back to stock. I liked the louder exhaust with my WRX. But it doesn't seem right with a 5EAT LGT. It reminds me of my WRX, though. *sniff* Back to stock here. It was fun for a day, but up north here I couldn't bear the thought of salt and grime getting into the pipes in the winter months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutru01 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 ^ You are going to get salt and grime in your pipes regardless of whether you are hogged or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drinyth Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Perhaps. But I don't need to give it direct access in. I should at least make the salt and grime work for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMac1203 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Perhaps. But I don't need to give it direct access in. I should at least make the salt and grime work for it. It's pretty difficult for salt to go backwards into your pipes. Enough water and condensation already goes in and sits around in your mufflers just from normal driving anyways. I'm honestly not worried about my pipes rusting from the inside out. If they do, in probably 10 years or so, I'll at least have a reason to switch to an A/M mid&y-pipe setup. Need a CarPC bezel? PM me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmeat Posted September 25, 2007 Author Share Posted September 25, 2007 You every drop a washer into your pipe....do it, then turn your car on - and just that 1500 RPM will create enough flow to BLAST the washer halfway across the garage. Think about 7,000 @ 12 PSI - there aint notthing getting in, man. Oh yah, don't forget, it's really hot. I'm pleasantly surprised... It was most certainly worth the couple bucks and 10 mins of my time. CLICK HERE FOR THE HOGZAUST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMac1203 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 You every drop a washer into your pipe....do it, then turn your car on - and just that 1500 RPM will create enough flow to BLAST the washer halfway across the garage. Think about 7,000 @ 12 PSI - there aint notthing getting in, man. Oh yah, don't forget, it's really hot. Agreed. But to each his own. Need a CarPC bezel? PM me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowBound BP5 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Had mine on for approaching 2 years now. I took them off to try stage 6 (yah, I know...it sounded like poo) and there was no real corriosion, even living in Iowa. You leave those washers on there throughout the winter too? I'd like to give it a try but with snowboarding season quickly approaching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMac1203 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 You leave those washers on there throughout the winter too? I'd like to give it a try but with snowboarding season quickly approaching... Snow, Honestly, there really isn't any harm over what you're already doing (aka leaving it stock). Hog is right that the pressure going through the pipes is not going to ingest water backwards. The salt vapors that get in are already getting in through your stock/closed setup anyways. Once exhaust is flowing through that joint, it has pressure going that way and is only pushing outwards, not inwards. It's REALLY only a 10 min modification. If you want to take it out before winter, grab a wrench and do so. It's worth it. Need a CarPC bezel? PM me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowBound BP5 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 So you really don't think there'll be a chance for the salt to get inside and around the piping/muffler/flange eh? Thanks for the input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMac1203 Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Yeah there's a chance, not gonna lie. The pipes and flanges are exposed to the salt already, as is the muffler. Like I said before, puddles of water sit inside mufflers anyways; when condensation builds of from quick trips and muffler doesn't get hot enough to evaporate. Im honestly not worried about it. I don't think that the minute gap will do any more harm than my previous winter just did already (BEFORE I installed Hogzawst). Like I said, throw it in! You still have a few months before they start salting roads. If you're worried, take them out. It'll take 10 mins out of your day. Need a CarPC bezel? PM me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowBound BP5 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Okay you've convinced me. I swung by the hardware store yesterday and picked up some stainless washers. 3/8 right? But I think with only 2 washers stacked the gap will be very minimal. Here's a silly question, what size rachet would I need to undo the bolts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gitster Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 M10 off the top of my head. Maybe M12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMac1203 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 It's atleast 12mm, that sounds about right, but no smaller. Need a CarPC bezel? PM me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutru01 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Okay you've convinced me. I swung by the hardware store yesterday and picked up some stainless washers. 3/8 right? But I think with only 2 washers stacked the gap will be very minimal. Here's a silly question, what size rachet would I need to undo the bolts? 3/8's is correct, 12mm rachet, you will be surprised how much of a space those two little washers will make.....of course that in comparison to what its going to sound like....I get asked all the time if my exhaust is aftermarket I will soon be converting to an aftermarket CBE though...my power is somewhat restricted with the stock cbe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmeat Posted September 28, 2007 Author Share Posted September 28, 2007 it's a 14mm socket. On mine, at least! And yes - 2 washers will work good. Just be sure you are not using the SUPER thin washers. Use the ones that have some good thickness to them. I'm thinking at least 16 gauge thickness - skip on the 22gauge washers - or use 4 of them. I'm pleasantly surprised... It was most certainly worth the couple bucks and 10 mins of my time. CLICK HERE FOR THE HOGZAUST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowBound BP5 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Hmm...I gave it a try yesterday and I thought it was 14mm? Anyway it was a no-go since the stubborn bolts wouldn't budge (as expected). So I'm heading over to my friend's later on tonight to use his air gun muhahaha! But damn I noticed the position of that top bolt sure is cramped...I have no idea how you guys managed to get enough space to work on it. Oh well I'm sure my friend will figure it out for me since he's a master mechanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbc84 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 the bolts and nuts on my 08' were both 14mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutru01 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Hmm...I gave it a try yesterday and I thought it was 14mm? Anyway it was a no-go since the stubborn bolts wouldn't budge (as expected). So I'm heading over to my friend's later on tonight to use his air gun muhahaha! But damn I noticed the position of that top bolt sure is cramped...I have no idea how you guys managed to get enough space to work on it. Oh well I'm sure my friend will figure it out for me since he's a master mechanic. Try working on your car lowered..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon20D Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 any one ever notice that the car doesnt spool as quick after this? i had to add spacers to the pipe with the springs (i always call this out as the wrong pipe) and it sounds Awesome - WRC style bubbley and such, but it seems to be about 3-400 rpm shy now. doesnt seem to punch as hard below 3K any more, more of a gradual rise instead of a rocket boost like it did before.. Im going to experiment with it, as it seemed fine with 1 less spacer, but didnt have the same kind of sound... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 This doesn't make sense. If you've changed nothing else on your car, adding washers to the exhaust downstream of the turbo and cats should make very little difference. Most of your backpressure is provided by the turbo and cats. The limiting factor in turbo spool (other than the turbo itself) is usually the up-pipe cat. It may be a difference in perception rather than reality. With stock exhaust, the Leg GT is so quiet you don't really hear how hard the engine is working. When you have a little aural feedback, you probably subconsciously hold back a little, because you can hear the engine working. Just my 2 cents, trying to think it through logically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutru01 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 any one ever notice that the car doesnt spool as quick after this? i had to add spacers to the pipe with the springs (i always call this out as the wrong pipe) and it sounds Awesome - WRC style bubbley and such, but it seems to be about 3-400 rpm shy now. doesnt seem to punch as hard below 3K any more, more of a gradual rise instead of a rocket boost like it did before.. Im going to experiment with it, as it seemed fine with 1 less spacer, but didnt have the same kind of sound... Putting washers between your exhaust flange and muffler will not cause a difference in spool. You might hear the spool at lower RPMs, but it won't change speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmeat Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 these guys are right. perception and enviromental changes. Is it a little hotter? A little more humid? Maybe your IC was a little more heatsoaked from you "revving" it to hear the sound?? I'm pleasantly surprised... It was most certainly worth the couple bucks and 10 mins of my time. CLICK HERE FOR THE HOGZAUST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon20D Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Only thing i can think is that the way I did it (washers on one side..none on the other) Cause some kind of internal turbulance - course, it could just be that it was sitting for a 20 minutes while i did it, then went to drive and the IC was much hotter than before / other times Seems fine in 1st, thrashes me back like being launched from an aircraft carrier. 2nd though felt more sluggish - which i noted again today, until I realized that the AC was on cause of the defroster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutru01 Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 ^ Yeh you gotta watch that automatic climate control kick in....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowBound BP5 Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Okay here's my late update. I went ahead and did the Hogzaust conversion a couple weeks ago and love it! My mechanic friend was able to loosen those stubbron bolts no problem and it sure helped that he's got way more tools than I do! I ended up going with 2 thin washers for both side...2 thicks ones were just too loud. I may have to go down to just 1 thick washer once I install the up and downpipe, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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