brandon.mol Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Improvement by removement. Best kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miro Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I've been stuck working on the front yard for the past month, but man... The first "car" weekend I get, I'll be doing this mod. It's been waiting on the shelf for seemingly forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripstik Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Damn, Adding this to the list. This is just removing more junk out of the lines ? don't need to buy anything. If you end up doing this additional damper delete please throw up a little review of the results. I was thinking about doing it but the clutch feels pretty perfect now if you ask me so I'm waiting to here the difference between 1 delete vs 2 deletes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Stage 2 delete! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBopper Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 The first "damper" is more of an expansion chamber, that over time and somewhat aggressive clutch pedal activation (and likely, accelerated by cold fluid) will cause the baffle plate to fracture (Surley). Removing it will lessen the somewhat vague clutch/pedal feel, which we all agree, is a good thing. Removing the spring loaded damper/control valve assembly from the slave cylinder will eliminate the restricting orifices. This allows the clutch fluid to directly activate the throwout bearing during engagement/disengagement for a unrestricted action. By removing it, you will definitely notice the difference in colder (fluid) temps. These devices were installed to lessen clutch induced shock on the driveline. As installed they do what they were intended to do. However, at the cost of vague/mushy pedal feel and slower disengagement of the clutch disc which causes unnecessary wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandborn Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Gees BigPopper, when you explain stuff its like pillow talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripstik Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 The first "damper" is more of an expansion chamber, that over time and somewhat aggressive clutch pedal activation (and likely, accelerated by cold fluid) will cause the baffle plate to fracture (Surley). Removing it will lessen the somewhat vague clutch/pedal feel, which we all agree, is a good thing. Removing the spring loaded damper/control valve assembly from the slave cylinder will eliminate the restricting orifices. This allows the clutch fluid to directly activate the throwout bearing during engagement/disengagement for a unrestricted action. By removing it, you will definitely notice the difference in colder (fluid) temps. These devices were installed to lessen clutch induced shock on the driveline. As installed they do what they were intended to do. However, at the cost of vague/mushy pedal feel and slower disengagement of the clutch disc which causes unnecessary wear. have you done the stage 2 delete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee199969 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 have you done the stage 2 delete? http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5100783&postcount=337 My "Build" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 have you done the stage 2 delete? Wow!. For an engineer, you don't pay very good attention. Bopper did the write-up and posted some very nice photos just one page back. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripstik Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 hahahaha, you can say that again. i never was good with that whole who said what when thing. my brain tends to turn to mush about everything other than mechanical seals by this point in the day, but to be honest i didn't go back to check who had posted those photos because i try not to spend to much time on here while at work (which backfired). but I'm looking for some feed back on the second delete. does it make as big a difference as the first? am i EVEN MORE likely that i will break something now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Is this the mechanical seal that turns your mind to mush? [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsLucFZ1xFA]Paro in Seattle - YouTube[/ame] GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripstik Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Is this the mechanical seal that turns your mind to mush? No, obviously not. that's the mechanical seal that turns my heart to mush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon.mol Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 You Americans are such suckers for a seal cub. They are the rats of the arctic And we know the consensus on rats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLGT Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 http://www.fuzzytoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1S24DhN.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee199969 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 You Americans are such suckers for a seal cub. They are the rats of the arctic And we know the consensus on rats... that they are an underused source of protein? My "Build" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon.mol Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Oh I was referencing the thread I started about a rodent in my car. GTEASER made it abundantly clear how much he dislikes rats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee199969 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Haha yea I remember you mentioning something about a vole My "Build" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
its_jayce Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Finally, after realizing how bad LA traffic sucks donkey dickss I got fed up with the clutch engagement and got this sucker installed after having the new damper sitting in my car for the past year lol. Was a little difficult to install because I'm not the smallest guy in the world and I'm lazy when it comes to working on my own car. Was having a tough time lining the hard lines back up and threading trying not to cross thread. I also couldn't get it mounted onto the bracket without bending the hard lines. So I left it there without mounting it, hopefully it's not a big issue. Overall, clutch feels a lot more firm. I can also feel vibration from the pedal when in gear, hoping that is normal as well? Way more consistent! Should have installed it a long time ago lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon.mol Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I have a bit of vibration too. Thats just minor wear imbalance in your clutch. The damper delete helps eliminate imbalanced wear, so that vibration partially goes away after a few eeks as your clutch evens out. That's my experience anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I am convinced the damper was more for smooth feel than anything. I feel all sorts of stuff through the pedal now too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrider28 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I am convinced the damper was more for smooth feel than anything. I feel all sorts of stuff through the pedal now too. From all the reading I've done on this in multiple vehicles and tons of personal experience with older cable and hydraulic clutches. The dampener literally makes your clutch slip so it "feels smooth on your foot" and doesn't cause any harsh engagement. I think I'm going to call it "The soccer mom slipper". But yes the bypass will give you way more feedback through the pedal, like the clutches most of us are custom to. I really should have ordered one of these bypasses with my shifter stop the other day. It always gets me in tight parking lot situations like today, which made me look like a complete noob in front of the man (my father) who taught me how to drive a 3 on the tree over 2 decades ago, literally before I could even touch the clutch pedal or even knew what it really was! I definitely have one bookmarked to be ordered online, if the local dealers decide to charge me an arm and leg. So weather permitting this coming up weekend and parts being available by then. I am taking the challenge, since the fluid could use a swap too. Speaking of fluid has anyone tested out the difference between fluid types/manufacturers in the clutch hydraulics? I know it makes a difference in the brake system, so I'm curious if a full synthetic fluid might help with the cold weather stiffness? Or is it going to make it stiffer all the time like it does to brakes? I know it made a huge difference on my motorcycle, which had a bad habit of not wanting to stop so well when extremely hot out 90°F and as well at temperatures 45°F or below. Did a pad swap flush and refilled with synthetic and wa-la, stopping was consistent at all temperatures. Now if there's a post out there on the LGT forums about this subject I've not come across it yet, so feel free to point me in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon.mol Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) I flushed mine with Prestone DOT 4 synthetic. But haven't been through a winter with it that way yet. Edited April 27, 2015 by brandon.mol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I used synthetic dot 4. Can't say if it made any difference, on a clutch I doubt it would no real heat in the system to speak of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I just used Castrol Dot4 and it works fine. Never gets cold enough here to know what would happen around freezing. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon.mol Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 without the damper, it probably doesn't matter much anyway. Full throttle clutch fluid flow, yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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