panamajack Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 My original plan was to go from stock->pinks->coilovers. I originally was going to go with the cuscos before Paul started development of the Megan's. my dumb ass bought them thinking they were great because Paully put in all the work developing them. I got them corner balanced and an alignment from West End. I was disappointed. I knew I mad a mistake. Maybe if I had better tires they would of had a chance, but you could tell they were working way to hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniStiGuy Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I'm still in the debate of going with coilovers for the wagon or springs. I won't be tracking it ever as I have a kart for tracking which is way better then any of our damn cars to race and much cheaper too. I just need something that can be dampened correctly for the abusive Houston roads but provide the stance I want as well so a "cheaper" coilover setup is something I am also looking into. OEM HID's Rx330 Retro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famaya26 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Konis are on special till the end of the month. With springs that comes to about $650-$750 for a decent Combo. Adding new Tophats makes it around $950-$1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniStiGuy Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Konis are on special till the end of the month. With springs that comes to about $650-$750 for a decent Combo. Adding new Tophats makes it around $950-$1000 Might I ask who is having thus said special? OEM HID's Rx330 Retro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famaya26 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 It's the annual Spring Sale. Autoanything.com has the cheapest. I think a member got them for $485 shipped iirc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniStiGuy Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 wow they came out to $631 when I added them all to the cart. OEM HID's Rx330 Retro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panamajack Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I'm pretty sure I'm going with the konis+kart setup too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famaya26 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 wow they came out to $631 when I added them all to the cart. There was a coupon code for 15% off but it expired Still not bad for Konis right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniStiGuy Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 it's just a difficult decision because once you add springs to that cost its like almost in the cheap coilover market. Coilovers you get more height adjust-ability vs the koni's strut adjust-ability. OEM HID's Rx330 Retro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famaya26 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 it's just a difficult decision because once you add springs to that cost its like almost in the cheap coilover market. Coilovers you get more height adjust-ability vs the koni's strut adjust-ability. RMN15 gets you 15% off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panamajack Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 How many times do you need to adjust your ride height? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 it's just a difficult decision because once you add springs to that cost its like almost in the cheap coilover market. Coilovers you get more height adjust-ability vs the koni's strut adjust-ability. I will tell you from experience that the vast difference in damping performance and consistently on the Konis make that choice simple. You aren't getting the advantages of corner-balancing and micro-adjustability of ride-height from units that just cannot control the springs they're wrapped in. I have countless customers with Imprezas and Legacys fitted with these sub-$1000 Taiwanese 'spring-holders'... not one of them can be driven full chat over expansion joints or small bumps without the car kicking wildly into the air. Many have gone through every combination you can think of with springs and 'damping' settings and finally given up. The cars are not as fast on the street as the quality fixed-perch solutions from Bilstein, Koni or even KYB. They are not as fast at the track as the cars with quality coilovers like KW, Bilstein, RCE etc. In other words they got all the disadvantages of short travel and harsh ride but none of the performance advantages they were hoping for. If someone just wants to slam the car, then LALGT has it right... buy the cheapest set of coils you can find and have at it. If you care at all about performance then for the love of God either stick with a fixed-perch setup that has some travel or save the cash for something proven to work on a quick car. Half of the guys I tune for that have these cheap suspensions will take one ride in my car and within 6 months either have a similar setup or some high-end coilovers. < Konis + JDM GRF springs + GC bump stops + GrpN top hats Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobyscoodle Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 You aren't getting the advantages of corner-balancing and micro-adjustability of ride-height from units that just cannot control the springs they're wrapped in. This is really what it boils down to. The consistency of the damping on these budget coils (as well as rates of the springs) is so terrible from a unit-to-unit QC perspective, that any hopes of being able to use the adjustability to actually "tune" the setup for a particular track surface and tire compound go right out the window. The only "tuneability" these coilovers have is with respect to ride height, nothing more, nothing less. Some people buy them for this purpose, and that is fine. A lot of people look at the price of a set of quality struts/shocks, combined with springs, and think, oh man, I could get a set of coilovers for this! Then they automatically assume that: coilover > fixed perch option That is a HUGE misconception/mistake. The CHEAPEST coilover that is the same damping quality as a Koni insert is a KWv2. In essence, the KWv2's are essentially equivalent to a Koni/ground control setup, with higher quality SS bodies. Koni/KWv2/RCET1 is really the lowest quality damper I'd feel comfortable taking on a track. In reality, these options are an entry level twin tube design, and are far from anything that would actually be used in a competitive motorsport. But they ARE manufactured with quality, durability, consistency, and longevity in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniStiGuy Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 How many times do you need to adjust your ride height? Every time this grocery getter, soccer mom, handicap van LGT wagon goes anywhere I think I'm just going to get the Koni's and put my h-techs on them. Thanks guys. OEM HID's Rx330 Retro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaspGT Posted May 19, 2013 Author Share Posted May 19, 2013 This is really what it boils down to. The consistency of the damping on these budget coils (as well as rates of the springs) is so terrible from a unit-to-unit QC perspective, that any hopes of being able to use the adjustability to actually "tune" the setup for a particular track surface and tire compound go right out the window. The only "tuneability" these coilovers have is with respect to ride height, nothing more, nothing less. Some people buy them for this purpose, and that is fine. A lot of people look at the price of a set of quality struts/shocks, combined with springs, and think, oh man, I could get a set of coilovers for this! Then they automatically assume that: coilover > fixed perch option That is a HUGE misconception/mistake. The CHEAPEST coilover that is the same damping quality as a Koni insert is a KWv2. In essence, the KWv2's are essentially equivalent to a Koni/ground control setup, with higher quality SS bodies. Koni/KWv2/RCET1 is really the lowest quality damper I'd feel comfortable taking on a track. In reality, these options are an entry level twin tube design, and are far from anything that would actually be used in a competitive motorsport. But they ARE manufactured with quality, durability, consistency, and longevity in mind. I don't think ive ever heard a better explanation than this yet, and if one of you has explained it like this and I missed it, well that's on me. Nicely done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaspGT Posted May 19, 2013 Author Share Posted May 19, 2013 Holy Sh!t, lmao!!! I just read the past few pages, I guess I missed a lot. Man, I thought everyone was angry with me, you guys are just mad period, lol. Anyhow, lets move on shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackPearl Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Wow. I haven't checked this in a while. What I have gathered...... LALGT & WaspGt = Still a better love story than Twilight. :-) Self proclaimed PNW Craiglist find of the day Champion, April 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaspGT Posted May 19, 2013 Author Share Posted May 19, 2013 Shane stop liking sh!t!!! ... although it is pretty amusing from a spectators point of view, I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panamajack Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Does anyone have experience with cheap coils+Swift springs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 LALGT & WaspGt = Still a better love story than Twilight. Sir, you are a comic genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobyscoodle Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Does anyone have experience with cheap coils+Swift springs? Awhile ago there was a member (can't remember who) that put swifts onto a set of BC coils, and reported positive results with ride quality and performance. This does make some sense because swifts are very consistent from spring-to-spring, meaning they will all have +/- about 1-4% in terms of their rates, and are extremely linear throughout their travel. The crap springs that come on these budget coils are known to deviate up to 20-30+% from coil to coil, and are almost never linear throughout their travel. Back when I had the BC's on my obxt, and I was at my whit's end trying to make them work for me, I seriously considered a set of swifts for them, but a set of 4 usually runs about $600. The BC's themselves were like $900 or so. That just did not make sense to me. I sold the BC's, and together with the money I saved not getting the swifts, was more than half way to a set of RCE-T1's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idiot4hire Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I will add that cheap coils are definitely better then my cheap s tech spring with blown struts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 So is used non blown out OEM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idiot4hire Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I bought my car with them and I am considering getting koni and stock springs. I friggin hate stechs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08Legacy08 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Holy Sh!t, lmao!!! I just read the past few pages, I guess I missed a lot. Man, I thought everyone was angry with me, you guys are just mad period, lol. Anyhow, lets move on shall we? I'm kinda sad it's over... just as quick as it all started it was over..... until next time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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