AZP Installs Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Yes 9k on the clutch. I was not able to see the work done because the car was over hauled and aftermarket installation was done all at once (Clutch, invidia down pipe / exhaust basically a stage 2 upgrade) It was a complete clutch kit and all work was done by my good friend at Subaru. I am not sure of the HP but it has to be pushing well over 305hp and 300lbs torque. Unfortunately I am not sure about any spillage etc on the flywheel, but this JUST started happening. I was not able to drive it today, but will take it out in a few hours and give it some hard 1st, 2nd, 3rd gear pulls to see what is going on. Now that I think about it could it be a flywheel slippage problem? I will give you guys some feedback later. Thanks for the quick responses! Let us know, also find out what flywheel they put in there. IIRC it should be a SMFW from the 06+ WRX/07+ Legacy GT. If it wasn't resurfaced it could be an issue. Keep us posted. -mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Comp Stage 3 should hold 500/500. The clutch uses the Comp LWFW. Sorry, I misunderstood. I read it as the motor was just rebuilt and now the clutch is slipping. If it was done all at the same time (9k miles ago), than you should be able to disregard the questions about install/observations. Flywheels dont slip. If they do, you have a MUCH LARGER problem. Like the bolts holding the FW to the crank are missing. Slipping from 2-3K would be odd. I would expect slippage at peak torque, usually in the 3500-4500rpm range. Many times when they start to slip it happens in 5th gear (flooring it to pass on the freeway). Are you sure it was slippage? If you can replicate it (possibly catch the rpm rise then fall then rise again in a log) the slip can be verified. If it is slipping now, then my best recommendation would be to get it good and hot then let it cool and see if that gets it grabbing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Comp Stage 3 should hold 500/500. The clutch uses the Comp LWFW. Sorry, I misunderstood. I read it as the motor was just rebuilt and now the clutch is slipping. If it was done all at the same time (9k miles ago), than you should be able to disregard the questions about install/observations. Flywheels dont slip. If they do, you have a MUCH LARGER problem. Like the bolts holding the FW to the crank are missing. Slipping from 2-3K would be odd. I would expect slippage at peak torque, usually in the 3500-4500rpm range. Many times when they start to slip it happens in 5th gear (flooring it to pass on the freeway). Are you sure it was slippage? If you can replicate it (possibly catch the rpm rise then fall then rise again in a log) the slip can be verified. If it is slipping now, then my best recommendation would be to get it good and hot then let it cool and see if that gets it grabbing again. Ah ha, didn't realize the stage 3 came with the LWFW. It is odd to see it slip on the lower side of the rpm range as you say. I hate to say it but check your floor mats, we've seen slipping clutch problems end up being floor mats interfering with the clutch pedal actuation. -mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Oooohhhh. Mike reminded me... Yes, its winter. The pesky all weather floor mats that protect the carpet so well deff interfered with my shifting. They are thicker which makes my toe "hook" the dash panel. Even if not planting the heel to shift they can cause interference. Thanks for reminding me sir. I see less of the all weather mats in So Cal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Oooohhhh. Mike reminded me... Yes, its winter. The pesky all weather floor mats that protect the carpet so well deff interfered with my shifting. They are thicker which makes my toe "hook" the dash panel. Even if not planting the heel to shift they can cause interference. Thanks for reminding me sir. I see less of the all weather mats in So Cal. No worries and by the way- GO SCREW with your warm and sunny weather! haaaaaaaaaa! :lol::lol: -mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcLgtSTI Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Hey whats up guys So I gave the car a whirl and during my 2nd - 4th gear pull it didn't slip at all, but when I accelerated in 4th it did indeed slip again. Here are the videos http://s28.photobucket.com/user/pantsmasterflex/media/IMG_2508.mp4.html http://s28.photobucket.com/user/pantsmasterflex/media/IMG_2507.mp4.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted November 30, 2013 Moderators Share Posted November 30, 2013 When you stab it in 4th gear it definitely looks like the clutch is slipping--but when you row through 2nd-4th it doesn't seem to slip at all...odd... "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcLgtSTI Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 When you stab it in 4th gear it definitely looks like the clutch is slipping--but when you row through 2nd-4th it doesn't seem to slip at all...odd... Yup! SMH!!! It was 20 degrees out if that means anything. I have forged pistons so I took the time to warm the car up, and also felt how it grabbed in first on the slope in my driveway it seemed pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 You can easily burn up a clutch in 9k miles doing 1k to 2k starts all the time, especially if you ride it to decrease the harsh engagement. I got about 12k - 15k out of my 2nd clutch, but I also autoxed quite a bit. A LWFW is glorious on the racetrack, but it sucks for DD. You really have to pay attention to your starts so you don't over-rev. I would go with one of the WRX single mass FWs if you can find a clutch that will work with it and your power level. If not, think about raising your idle 100-200 rpms to help with standing starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Yes, if "running" the clutch (slipping it at high rpm to overcome the loss of inertia from the LWFW) then the clutch wont last long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-MuRdaA Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I would expect slippage at peak torque, usually in the 3500-4500rpm range. Many times when they start to slip it happens in 5th gear (flooring it to pass on the freeway). I noticed this yesterday in 5th and 6th gear around 3k rpms going ~60mph. I have 57k miles on my stock clutch and have been at stage 2 for about 40k of those miles. Is there an adjustment I can make or do I need to replace parts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 You need to change your clutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 See above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-MuRdaA Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I guess I'll be scheduling an appointment at AZP soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcLgtSTI Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I guess I'll be scheduling an appointment at AZP soon... Yup looks like same with me! Now to figure out what will work with my setup being that this is my daily! I wanted to drop a STI tranny as well but didn't plan on having to do one for at least another year or so. I'm even having second thoughts about buying a cobb access port until I find something that will be able to take the power! :confused: A clutch every year is not cost effective lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I guess I'll be scheduling an appointment at AZP soon... No worries we'll take good care of you. On a side note, we are offering "Maintenance Mondays" if you can schedule for a monday we are giving 15% off the labor portion of the install! -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Now we have an Online Catalog where you can purchase Parts! AZPParts.com Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcLgtSTI Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 No worries we'll take good care of you. On a side note, we are offering "Maintenance Mondays" if you can schedule for a monday we are giving 15% off the labor portion of the install! -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Now we have an Online Catalog where you can purchase Parts! AZPParts.com Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcLgtSTI Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 No worries we'll take good care of you. On a side note, we are offering "Maintenance Mondays" if you can schedule for a monday we are giving 15% off the labor portion of the install! -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Now we have an Online Catalog where you can purchase Parts! AZPParts.com Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" I will possibly be scheduling either 2 weeks from now or maybe after. Monday of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabo Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Bringing this back from the dead and hoping to get some input from both Mike's in here :-) Can I use an FX350 with the stock FW? DD 07 Spec B by the way. The car will eventually be running a BNR Billet 18G on E85 (Pending installation FYI) Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Bringing this back from the dead and hoping to get some input from both Mike's in here :-) Can I use an FX350 with the stock FW? DD 07 Spec B by the way. The car will eventually be running a BNR Billet 18G on E85 (Pending installation FYI) Thanks Not in a SpecB 6MT. You will need an STi flywheel (OEM is fine). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabo Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Not in a SpecB 6MT. You will need an STi flywheel (OEM is fine). In that case do you think a Southbend Stage 2 Endurance will suffice for an 18G on E85? On a side note I followed your advice and purchased a Killer B header. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcLgtSTI Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 In that case do you think a Southbend Stage 2 Endurance will suffice for an 18G on E85? On a side note I followed your advice and purchased a Killer B header. I'd go with a stage 3 just to be safe. especially since you're going E85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 A South Bend Stage 2 Endurance should have no issues with an 18g on e85. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabo Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 A South Bend Stage 2 Endurance should have no issues with an 18g on e85. Awesome! Im assuming I can retain my stock fw, correct? Please check pm. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 No. You are converting to an STi clutch. You must always use an STi FW. SpecB 6MT and STi 6MT flywheels are different. The clutches are too (friction surface area and pressure plate to FW mounting). There were too few SpecB's made to justify aftermarket clutch offerings. You must convert pressure plate, disc and FW to STi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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