blklgt05 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Is it just me, or do all the pics of 5th gens I see with H&R springs seem a lot lower in the front than the rear? Sent from my ZUK Z1 using Tapatalk depends on which model you drive, most 2.5i are going to be slightly uneven mod journal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leighos Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 depends on which model you drive, most 2.5i are going to be slightly uneven Seems like all of them with H&R look like that compared to other springs. Do the rears settle a lot more over time? Sent from my ZUK Z1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Is it just me, or do all the pics of 5th gens I see with H&R springs seem a lot lower in the front than the rear? Sent from my ZUK Z1 using Tapatalk H&R has two different part numbers, the ones you think look raked are the -1 PN. 54427-1 for 2.5i and GT 54427-2 for 3.6R Use the 3.6R part number, it will sit more even. That's what I used on my GT and what I recommend everyone get to avoid the rake. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leighos Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I got mine direct from Germany, part number 29167-2 If mine end up looking raked like that I could use spacers under the front I guess. Sent from my ZUK Z1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Yes, tophat spacers would work if you need them to level things out. I believe that's the part number for the EDM spec DIT Legacy Wagon, but a quick search on Ebay says it fits both BM and BR. http://www.ebay.com/itm/H-R-lowering-springs-for-29167-2-Subaru-Legacy-Kombi-fits-Subaru-Legacy-Kombi-3-/381533267727 GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leighos Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Yes, tophat spacers would work if you need them to level things out. I believe that's the part number for the EDM spec DIT Legacy Wagon, but a quick search on Ebay says it fits both BM and BR. http://www.ebay.com/itm/H-R-lowering-springs-for-29167-2-Subaru-Legacy-Kombi-fits-Subaru-Legacy-Kombi-3-/381533267727 Correct, that eBay link is even the same supplier I used - Tunershop in Germany I tried to do my research before ordering, but I seemed to be the first guy in the world who wanted to put lowering springs in a BMD! My concerns of engine weight on the front springs seemed quite valid after reading the issues you guys have had with the heavier 3.6 engines and the pronounced rake. Assuming the EE20 to be heavier than the EJ255 that most of you guys run, I just couldn't find actual figures to back that up. I contacted an engine importer and they said no difference in shipping weight between those two, only the 6 cylinder engines are much heavier. So hopefully when I get them in I don't get that awful rake. Sent from my ZUK Z1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 The difference in weight is only about 100 pounds between the 2.5i and the 2.5GT with the 2.5i being the lighter one. The 2.5GT is almost exactly the same as the 3.6R. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripstik Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 The difference in weight is only about 100 pounds between the 2.5i and the 2.5GT with the 2.5i being the lighter one. The 2.5GT is almost exactly the same as the 3.6R. thats surprising. you'd think the 3.6 would way like 50% more than the 2.5 minus maybe 5-10% for the turbo system..... i wonder how heavy just the power plants are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrD123 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 For 2012, in limited trim, the 2.5i was 3423lbs, the 2.5GT was 3483, and the 3.6R was 3529. For transmissions, the 2.5i had a 99lb difference between the manual and automatic. So a 106lb difference between the 2.5i and the 3.6R. I wouldn't expect a huge difference in weight - it's another row of cylinders, but all of the other stuff bolted to the engine is going to be pretty close to the same weight. the 2.5GT has the sunroof and a few other little things that bump its weight up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leighos Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Well here's that rake. I put the H&Rs in just on the OEM shocks for now. The front is a nice drop, but those rears don't look right at all, I guess they will settle a bit, but not by the amount in really needs. No surprise though when you look at the inactive coils, they're just acting like damn packers. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160729/af08f8c4c9dab9f1d131e4d5c9d77ead.jpg http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160729/76aa03c3bb124000d94c2fd3b19ea407.jpg Sent from my ZUK Z1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) FWIW, my front barely settled 1/8", maybe not even that much, and it took about 2 months, maybe more, but the rears settled well over 1/4". The springs rates front and rear are almost the same, but the back of the car is lighter and the rear springs are a tighter winding, so the rear springs take a long time to settle. Be patient and drive it to help the settling along. Take a measurement today from the center of the centercap on the wheel to the top of the fender arch, on all 4 corners, and write it down. Take another measurement in 2 weeks and write it down. Do it on a very level surface parked in the same place both times. Edited July 29, 2016 by GTEASER GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leighos Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Thanks GTeaser, yes I will be patient and record how much it settles over the next few weeks. I still don't really understand the function of the inactive coils that are constantly compressed and in contact with each other, even unladed (vehicle empty and half tank of fuel). Sent from my ZUK Z1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 They are so the spring doesn't rattle around while the car is jacked up in the air or at full suspension extension. They basically take up space, like helper springs on coilovers. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leighos Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Ah thanks for explaining that, makes sense now Sent from my ZUK Z1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 IMPORTANT!!! We may lose the Koni option. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/koni-yellow-sport-shocks-2010-legacy-fitment-214426.html GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripstik Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 IMPORTANT!!! We may lose the Koni option. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/koni-yellow-sport-shocks-2010-legacy-fitment-214426.html FOCK! i hope they head your email's advise and keep them around i was planning on going Koni + OEM '13 springs after the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Rumble Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 It would be amazing if they even took it a step further and built a product specifically for our platform. Maybe they were never even aware of the fitment for the Legacy and the number of people who have utilized that product. Really hope this errs towards a positive outcome. 2012 Legacy 3.6R Build Thread 5th Gen Legacy BM/BR Body Kit Compendium Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee199969 Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Damn, I plan on keeping my legacy for as long as it can run, I would've gotten a spare set of inserts had I not just jumped on the GS TMIC My "Build" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Damn, I plan on keeping my legacy for as long as it can run, I would've gotten a spare set of inserts had I not just jumped on the GS TMIC I think we have some time. It will probably be a year or two, probably longer, before they are all gone. Plus, they can be rebuilt. I believe Feal Suspension provides that service. Here is the link to Koni's North American rebuild facility. http://www.koniracing.com/services.cfm GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee199969 Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 I'll keep the rebuild option in mind, but I figure the turnaround time wouldnt be extremely quick. So I wouldnt mind paying more for a fresh set to swap in and then maybe get the older set rebuilt. My "Build" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Yeah, I will probably pick up a fresh set for myself as well. This only affects the front inserts. The rears (8010-1055) will still be produced, so basically it's a $300 investment to have a fresh set on the shelf in the garage if you ever need them. I plan on keeping my car pretty much forever as well, so we are in the same boat. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraedeohed Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Seems like the birthday fairies visited my house today...... http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160916/c53439c6f6374833112e8224a3e93af1.jpg Sent from my XT1096 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredrik94087 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Using WRX struts is not all that bad. My Konis were built using WRX front struts. Yes, the fronts were 1/2" lower than intended, but with RCE blacks, a touch of rake was fine. "It's within spec" - SOA "Depth is only shallowness viewed from the side." - Fredism "So, how much did it cost for your car to be undriveable ." - Stephen (very close friend) "You have done so much it would be stupid to go back." - Sunny of Guru Electronics 2018Q50RS | 2015WrxThread | Shrek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Using WRX struts is not all that bad. My Konis were built using WRX front struts. Yes, the fronts were 1/2" lower than intended, but with RCE blacks, a touch of rake was fine. That works fine with tires that are a slightly smaller diameter than stock, but if someone is running a tire slightly larger in diameter, they're going to have spring perch clearance issues. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraedeohed Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 It's time to play....... What's wrong with this picture!!.. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160917/1782d6eb0f6cf5b013781693ee3b48fd.jpg What's wrong is that I specifically had my order spec'd to 9kF and 8kR springs! And as you can see, after waiting a month since ordering, my coilovers finally come in with 8kF and 6kR springs!!!!!! http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160917/d2fc84607f6551c05496f2097e7c69a8.jpg [emoji17] WTF!?!??? I'm sick of waiting, and I really don't want to have to wait for these coilovers all over again. Sent from my XT1096 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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