minuccims Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 The RCE Blacks and Bilsteins were designed for each other as a pair. Take a look at the spring rates posted in this thread or a different one and there will be part of the answer. There is very little travel to the bump stops. If the springs shorten the travel too much, then the car may be at the suspension limit a lot and be a very jarring ride. If the springs are working with OEM shocks then it only gets better with the Bilsteins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2baru Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 [ame=http://www.flickr.com/photos/98038895@N05/9164670046/]DSC_0393 | Flickr - Photo Sharing![/ame] [ame=http://www.flickr.com/photos/98038895@N05/9164670046/]DSC_0393 | Flickr - Photo Sharing![/ame] by stunami32, on Flickr [ame=http://www.flickr.com/photos/98038895@N05/9162445723/]DSC_0403 | Flickr - Photo Sharing![/ame] [ame=http://www.flickr.com/photos/98038895@N05/9162445723/]DSC_0403 | Flickr - Photo Sharing![/ame] by stunami32, on Flickr [ame=http://www.flickr.com/photos/98038895@N05/9164667406/]DSC_0402 | Flickr - Photo Sharing![/ame] [ame=http://www.flickr.com/photos/98038895@N05/9164667406/]DSC_0402 | Flickr - Photo Sharing![/ame] by stunami32, on Flickr [ame=http://www.flickr.com/photos/98038895@N05/9162443431/]DSC_0405 | Flickr - Photo Sharing![/ame] [ame=http://www.flickr.com/photos/98038895@N05/9162443431/]DSC_0405 | Flickr - Photo Sharing![/ame] by stunami32, on Flickr Got the TEIN BASIS today from kingluke, can't wait for the install and handling improvements along with visual appeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutchard Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 I see sharing flickr photos still doesn't work on this forum, bummer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philberto Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Ya, extra click but you can still click on the link above each black box and it will send you to the Flickr page. I like the green! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feesh Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Got L3go's Tein street basis coilovers installed over the weekend. These are the first coilovers I've owned and I like the way they ride. They don't feel too firm to me but after driving around on them a couple of days I seem to be getting some additional cabin rattles/noises that I was hoping I wouldn't have. They are minor but they are there. Is the additional firmness in bumps due mainly to compression settings of the damper or the spring rate? Would I be able to eliminate some of this with Tarmac 2's/KW V3's where I could turn down the compression settings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2baru Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Once I get mine on here before the 14th,I'll write my impressions in compariaion to stock...then to my lowering springs... Then to these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feesh Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Will look forward to your review. Have you had other coilovers in the past? I'm coming from RCE's on stock struts for about 20k miles (which have gone seriously downhill the last 5k). I didn't have this additional noise on that setup. The Tein coilovers themselves are completely silent. Swapping out the RCE/stock strut combo to the Teins got rid of some suspension noise I was having in the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2baru Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 No other coilovers on past vehicles I can only compare to other subies I've been in. My springs to be honest are dead quiet, even over large speed bumps. On low speed turns you can hear a Lil pop every now and then but I know its from my front sway bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 feesh, the springs on the Teins are quite a bit stiffer than your RCE's. I suspect the new rattles are a result of the stiffness of the springs not the compression damping. Cockpit rattles increased when I put my H&R springs on. It's just a trade-off, and a consequence of physics. A cable or panel or interface between objects has a given amount of tension or stiffness to it. When the springs are stiffer, the shocks that the car experiences from road bumps is transmitted differently through the car causing those objects to reach their thresholds more rapidly, resulting in rattles and creaks. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feesh Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Thanks Joe. Yes, I had a feeling it's more due to the spring rate than the compression of the damper. The Tein's actually take bumps quite fantastically. If the compression was set too high on them I'd think I'd feel bumps more dramatically. Rates on the Tein's are 336/280 vs 240/245 for RCE. When I did the install I also set my RSB to 22mm. Last night I set it back to the 21mm setting and that has alleviated some of my additional noise. The last time I had the bar on the 22mm setting was when I was on stock springs/shocks and I think I remember at that time the setting caused me some extra rattles/noises. Too bad because I love the feeling of the 22mm setting. Oh well, tradeoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Just go all the way to the 23mm setting. I went from 21 to 23 just two weeks ago and it was like I put a whole new swaybar on. No new rattles at all. Give it a try, you may find that the frequency being transmitted into the cockpit is different than the 22mm setting and those rattles won't happen. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Feesh, I just remembered too, those Tein springs are going to be linear, whereas the RCE's were progressive, so even the first 1/4" of compresson travel is probably going to be a little harsher and contribute more to rattles. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feesh Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Yep, they are indeed linear. I think I'm going to order the Koni's and try them out with the RCE's. My front stock struts are done so I'm going to use them for donors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feesh Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Just go all the way to the 23mm setting. I went from 21 to 23 just two weeks ago and it was like I put a whole new swaybar on. No new rattles at all. Give it a try, you may find that the frequency being transmitted into the cockpit is different than the 22mm setting and those rattles won't happen. Did this yesterday. And you were quite right. It rides just like the 21mm setting, only better. I don't get the extra vibration that I get from the 22mm setting. I never used this setting previously as I thought it would just cause more vibration the stiffer I went. After inspecting underneath, the 22mm setting makes the hump in the bar make the most contact with the spare tire well. At the other settings the bar is slightly tilted moving the hump away from the well a couple mm. Thanks And Koni's are on order. I was cleaning up my stock struts today and realized why the ride had gotten bad. The driver side strut is completely blown. Oil all over the spring seat and no resistance in the strut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alleya Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) 2011 lgt oem struts with aftermarket springs onto 2012 2.5i with 18 x 8 32 mm offset rim. tires 225/45/18. Any compatibility issues there? Wasn't planning to lower but getting tired of wheel gap.... Edited August 12, 2013 by Alleya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen5is Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 2011 lgt oem struts with aftermarket springs onto 2012 2.5i with 18 x 8 32 mm offset rim. tires 225/45/18. Any compatibility issues there? Wasn't planning to lower but getting tired of wheel gap.... You might need to roll fenders if you go really low. I've noticed on my liberty that the front fenders are already rolled a bit and the rears arn't from factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feesh Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) Confirmed Tanabe Sustec Pro S-0C for 11+ WRX will work on our cars. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/tanabe-sustec-pro-s-0c-coilovers-installed-213139.html UPDATE: Can't recommend because of very little travel for spring rate in front. Use at your own risk. UPDATE 2: Swapped front springs for 6K and they seem to work fine, no bump stop issues. Again, use at your own risk. Edited September 21, 2013 by feesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent C Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Does anyone know of a DIY suspension install thread for a 5th gen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Does anyone know of a DIY suspension install thread for a 5th gen? It's pretty much the same as the Impreza platform. This should suffice. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2243084 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent C Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Thanks, that's what I needed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent C Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Another question, I ordered my Tein coilovers today and I might do the install this weekend. Will it damage my tires a lot if I don't get an alignment for a few weeks until my wheels that are being made get here? Should I just wait to install all if it at once and then get an alignment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 You will want the new springs to settle for at least 300 miles before your alignment, so no, as long as you get the front camber bolts in roughly in the same orientation as they came out. An alignment isn't necessary immediately. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurlyOldManMN Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Another question, I ordered my Tein coilovers today and I might do the install this weekend. Will it damage my tires a lot if I don't get an alignment for a few weeks until my wheels that are being made get here? Should I just wait to install all if it at once and then get an alignment? Yes, you can completely destroy your tires with a big change in suspension components and no alignment. It's not guaranteed, but it is a distinct possibility. Particularly if you pick up some toe in the process. I'd recommend an alignment immediately. I've seen and heard of multiple people trashing tires in a few hundred miles. Get two alignments if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent C Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Perfect, thanks. Will I need any camber kits or anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Depends how low you go and how much camber you are willing to live with in the rear. I went 500 miles before my alignment after a 1-1/4" drop. No indication of any handling issues or adverse tire wear. But then again, I am still on stock rubber. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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