SATSFYD Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 OK I want to see the pics too... what is the "QSM thread"? **There are two types of people in the world, those who build horsepower and those who buy it. Which one are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhook Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 OK I want to see the pics too... what is the "QSM thread"? I'm guessing he means the quartz silver metallic thread: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/official-quartz-silver-metallic-thread-66618.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SATSFYD Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 OOh thanks... being slow and its only 1100 Haiti time... **There are two types of people in the world, those who build horsepower and those who buy it. Which one are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vbelisle Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 yep thats the one, thanks captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhook Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 yep thats the one, thanks captain. Np, the lip looks good. Maybe I'll get myself one eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTspecB1657615261 Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Legacychick - I ordered the same one you did, but it came out differently. My front does not arch out, in fact, it tucks under the front of the bumper. Mine only sticks out on the corners. I could always take it off and re-work it I guess, but I guess I cam just live with it. Its a very subtle look. Someone commented on it sticking out past the fender... so it looks like I will be trimming that. I guess its more obvious than I think! Its dark in this picture.... but you can see the lip sticking out far in the corner, then tucking under the front of the bumper. The lip I got had a more squared-off look rather than a "bowed" look for lack of better terms. Still looks ok IMO. http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3122/snc12509c2.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan Posted April 5, 2010 Author Share Posted April 5, 2010 It looks like the ends are sticking out also? I would try to mount it again, but start in the middle this time. Get that where you would like it and then bend the sides to fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vbelisle Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 It looks like the ends are sticking out also? I would try to mount it again, but start in the middle this time. Get that where you would like it and then bend the sides to fit. Yeah I would do that, and if you make it stick out more in the middle it wont hang over into the wheel wells as much. Mine is just a tiny amount off center and only overhangs over on one side and its barely noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTspecB1657615261 Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 I did mount the front first. If I move it any further forward, the corners will simply overhang. You will have a gap on the tip-side of the lip between the bumper and the lip... right at the corner. See how my corners stick out so far (picture a 45 degree projection away from the corner of my front bumper). My sides are level with the side of the car for the most part. The sides are perfect IMO. I would love to move the whole lip forward... but I just can't because the turn is so sharp at the corners. I even used heat. What I would need to do is keep the sides bolted down, and heat and bend the center outward. That would keep the corners in place and not allow for gaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vbelisle Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 ^ thats weird, I did not use heat to get mine to fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjbev21 Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Me either just a shit load of self taping screws lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHolladay23 Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 I used a heat gun but it wasn't necessary for fitament, I just didn't want the natural shape of the lip to be pulling at the screws [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] You want stickers? Hit me up here!!! You want a shirt? Hit me up here!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcTec34 Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 yeah, same here. heat gun made it want to be in the shape of my bumper, and not a wrx's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTspecB1657615261 Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 I used a heat gun but it wasn't necessary for fitament, I just didn't want the natural shape of the lip to be pulling at the screws ditto. I clamped it in place, then heat cycled it until it did not spring back so much. The sides just flared out a little, the rest fit fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacychick Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 Legacychick - I ordered the same one you did, but it came out differently. My front does not arch out, in fact, it tucks under the front of the bumper. Mine only sticks out on the corners. I could always take it off and re-work it I guess, but I guess I cam just live with it. Its a very subtle look. Someone commented on it sticking out past the fender... so it looks like I will be trimming that. I guess its more obvious than I think! Its dark in this picture.... but you can see the lip sticking out far in the corner, then tucking under the front of the bumper. The lip I got had a more squared-off look rather than a "bowed" look for lack of better terms. Still looks ok IMO. That's weird because mine was so flexible, I didn't have any problems bending it to fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 A rock or other flying projectile made a nasty hole through my, otherwise flawless, garage door lip Considering this now instead of replacing it. Besides the the cutting off of the ends and the small gaps on the inside portion, this is a direct fit then? I keep reading that people are heating it up to rework it. Is this necessary? "This is an adventure." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHolladay23 Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 not necessary, just helps. If you don't have a heat gun a hair dryer will get it hot enough with this material, just takes a little longer. Even without heating it is a close enough fit that you don't really need to worry. I had a garage door lip previously and this looks 1000x better IMO [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] You want stickers? Hit me up here!!! You want a shirt? Hit me up here!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan Posted April 6, 2010 Author Share Posted April 6, 2010 I only used my heat gun to get rid of the gaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rommel Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 But to trash RavSpec? Why not also jump on a few of Rommel's threads and complain about his pricing for lips or for grill(e)s - now that there's plenty of eBay and DIY grille applications available, aren't those all about price-gouging, too? Or how about Mach V/FastWRX? The 05-07 lips that I sell are $250 including paypal fees. UPS charges me around $150 to ship because of the box size, plus packaging, plus hardware, plus my cost to manufacture. At end I only make $25 for a lip that just bolts on with out any hacking or bumper removal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgeracer Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 A rock or other flying projectile made a nasty hole through my, otherwise flawless, garage door lip Considering this now instead of replacing it. Besides the the cutting off of the ends and the small gaps on the inside portion, this is a direct fit then? I keep reading that people are heating it up to rework it. Is this necessary? You get what you pay for. It seems like the lip isn't 100% equal in dimensions on both sides from center. Also the box they ship in is a little small so they bend it in to fit (at least with mines). Considering the rubbery material they are made from they have to be heated to straighten them back out. I just installed one on my 05 LGT and it looks good for what I paid. I think the 08-09 guys actually have better fitment however judging from the pics... "Gimme mines Balboa...Gimme mines".....Clubber Lang - Mr. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 ^ Agreed, it isn't going to be perfect - besides, it's not even billed as a LGT fitment to begin with. But for the price? I definitely won't complain. And I do also think that, from looking at the pix, the '08-'09s are getting better fitment (regardless of differences in fitment). ---- Now to open up "old wounds," with Rommel's post: The 05-07 lips that I sell are $250 including paypal fees. UPS charges me around $150 to ship because of the box size, plus packaging, plus hardware, plus my cost to manufacture. At end I only make $25 for a lip that just bolts on with out any hacking or bumper removal. ^ I'm glad you came to chime-in. Now tell that to theGeneral, who seems to think that every Vendor here is trying to "gouge" every member here. In my defense this is the way that I see it; this is a Legacy community, we are all here to learn about our cars, enjoy what other people are doing with their cars and get helpful tech. stuff. I have been and am currently a member of several car boards because I have owned several cars over my life time. I am sorry Rav but I do not believe that you pay two hundred dollars for the lip that you sell on this board. So, in my humble opinion you are gouging the members of this board. My guess is you spend fifty per unit, spend around twenty bucks to ship each item and the rest is profit. If the company that is selling the WRX lip is selling it for sixty five shipped they must be spending half of that on production, R&D and shipping. So your claim of two hundred is hard to believe (and I don't). I won't "high jack" anymore of your threads, I apologize that I posted the fact that members of this community can purchase a lip that will fit a very popular Legacy model at a fraction of the cost you charge. I also feel that if you lowered the cost you would move more units and in the end make more, just look at the amount of people in this thread who are buying an alternative. Again I feel you are gouging this community. And I was defending this community. If I felt like you actually spent two hundred dollars on that lip I would not have made any of the comments that i have. ^ to which I replied.... ^ Of course he's making a profit. It's business. Businesses exist to bring bread to its workers and owners. None of us are that naive. "Gouging?" What about the prices for the other Vendors who also make FRP, CF, or PU lips for the BL/BP? RavSpec's prices are not out-of-line, and they simply represent what this community has been - and still are - willing to pay for a true unpack-and-bolt-on solution which is, for all intents and purposes, aesthetically, and fit, "perfect." Could he perhaps take the entire market, by lowering his prices, like what's happening now with various plug-and-play HID kits? Maybe - but at the same time, the current market in this community sends him, as well as other Vendors of similar products, plenty of profit already, so why change? The WRX lip is an *imperfect* fit that requires end-user modification in order to, first of all, make it simply fit (i.e. needing to chop an inch and a half or so off the ends) this cross-application, to say nothing of the additional time and effort needed to dress those ends, and/or fill the gaps in the center raised portion. Yes, some here have more time than they do money (or see the dollar-to-effort trade as being one that they perceive more value with). Alternatively, some just enjoy the DIY-ness of it. But to first and jump on a Forum-supporting Vendor's thread - something which is frowned upon no matter which online community you're in (of a Vendor who is in good standing, particularly; and here, note, that while no other Vendors came forward, RavSpec decided to lend a helping hand to those who were stuck with the D2/Patriki fiasco) - and to then offer a backhanded apology in which you claim that they're "gouging?" That's, again, just not cool. No-one is forcing anyone to buy RavSpec - or any Vendors', for that matter - products. No-one is burying this thread, either. But to call out a Vendor on his own thread, and then to make such horrible accusations? That's just uncalled for. Don't get me wrong. I truly hope that with an increasing population base, as more BL/BPs find their way into the secondary market, that we'll start seeing more affordable specific-for-purpose/made lips for our vehicles. And at the same time, I'm also rather certain that eBay and other such discount/bargain sites will be among the first to offer such products - and I have no problems against that, either. I, for one, certainly would appreciate such a scenario playing out. God knows that with the roads the way they are here in NE-Ohio, and with our many times off-kilter apron angles and drop-offs, I well understand that even the days of my RavSpec PU lip is numbered. So, yes, I'd very much appreciate lips which would be easier on the wallet, but at the same time, are also bolt-on, fitted, solutions. But to trash RavSpec? Why not also jump on a few of Rommel's threads and complain about his pricing for lips or for grill(e)s - now that there's plenty of eBay and DIY grille applications available, aren't those all about price-gouging, too? Or how about Mach V/FastWRX? Mods/Admin - Note that this is now the second Forum supporting Vendor who has had to come here to defend their good name. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavSpec Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 TSi+WRX , thanks for the support ! I'll just leave the issue alone I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rommel Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 Nothing else for me to say here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 Rommel and RavSpec - You both have been with our community for a long time - and the support which you've given it should be reciprocated by the members, both old and new. We've seen many Vendors come and go in this community, and the fact that you both are still in good standing, with word-of-mouth still generating sales, speaks volumes as to your products' quality and your commitment to servicing us BL/BPers (and more). While I am deeply sorry to gunk up this thread with continued reference to theGeneral's outbursts and grave accusations of "gouging," I feel, particularly as someone who has been in this community since 2005, that I "owe" the Vendors here a proper defense. Yes, we all know that your products are pricier - but they're made-to-fit specifically to our vehicles, and are, for lack of better words, "perfect" for their intended applications and purposes. This in-turn should not - and does not - detract in any way from the "grassroots" efforts of those on this thread who are using an off-application/cross-fitment item to save some money, but to trade that savings for some sweat and efforts of their own, to effect a solution which, as we all have seen here, is actually quite aesthetically pleasing in many ways. The trade-off is a simple one that's easy for anyone who is capable of logical reasoning to understand and see: expending one's own time and efforts to "adapt" a non-fitted component for an off-fitment vehicle, in trade for the monetary savings. Two different products, two different goals. No conflict. What hurt me - as a family man who has a limited budget to play with, and therefore is always searching for either a good bargain or a good DIY, and therefore am always sympathetic as well as supportive of such efforts - is that someone from our own ranks would un-necessarily and unfairly raise such a grave accusation against our good Vendors. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjbev21 Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 alright instead of filling this thread with useless arguing here is a quick pic of the new front end (including the lip i got mine from d1performance) from my curve 8990 so the quality is blah lol -stock grille painted flat black -front lip with STI badge (separate purchase from lip) -fog surrounds painted flat black -hood scoop painted flat black http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv352/tjbev021/IMG00102-20100406-1531-1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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