m sprank Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Priming oil filter will deff get oil pressure up faster. Like Max said, it might take a minute of short cranks. You can crank longer than 15seconds, its just a matter of killing the battery, lol. We used to hook up the battery charger just in case. Unfortunate to hear about the leak. Could be a torque issue. Once, and I mean once, I admittedly failed to correctly torque the drivers side head on an FJ20 build. Must have been a late night??? When I cranked her over to build oil pressure she shot coolant all over the engine bay. I was more than disappointed with myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdcvg Posted October 15, 2022 Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 I think I found the issue. I think I put the head gasket in wrong. A .003 feeler gauge goes easily between block and head at the oil passage. Do I need to re-surface that head again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdcvg Posted October 15, 2022 Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, m sprank said: Priming oil filter will deff get oil pressure up faster. Like Max said, it might take a minute of short cranks. You can crank longer than 15seconds, its just a matter of killing the battery, lol. We used to hook up the battery charger just in case. Unfortunate to hear about the leak. Could be a torque issue. Once, and I mean once, I admittedly failed to correctly torque the drivers side head on an FJ20 build. Must have been a late night??? When I cranked her over to build oil pressure she shot coolant all over the engine bay. I was more than disappointed with myself. Priming the oil filter is what slowed pressure in My case. I removed the primed filter and the pressure from pick-up to pump was 2 ten second cranks. Put full filter back on and 2 cranks later oil was everywhere. Literally everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 If you have a flat straight edge, and a NEW HG, I would think you could measure the flatness and if good, be ok without machine work (?) The engine hasn't seen a heat cycle. Mike would know for sure. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdcvg Posted October 15, 2022 Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 (edited) I didn't even think It was possible to put a HG in wrong. Well all My experience is AMC V-8's so I'll take it apart and try again. Edited October 15, 2022 by bdcvg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infosecdad Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 You can put it on backwards, I've caught myself at the last moment. You have to check it carefully that it's not blocking any oil ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdcvg Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 I still need to figure out if the head will need to be re-surfaced. With aluminum heads and block will a new head gasket seal if the are marks from last gasket ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 I believe you can use a bare-tex pad to remove any indications without taking off any material. But, it might be worth it to have the "machine shop" verify it's good. The peace of mind, maybe worth the effort. https://www.google.com/search?q=bare-tex+pad&sxsrf=ALiCzsY-D147spzUCgVSeJCyEvqlH--Hng%3A1666016155732&source=hp&ei=m2NNY_aPKs2H0PEPxeq80As&iflsig=AJiK0e8AAAAAY01xq2ViofVlfCQEk2lq6K43688Rgykh&ved=0ahUKEwi2yZnpuef6AhXNAzQIHUU1D7oQ4dUDCAk&uact=5&oq=bare-tex+pad&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgAToECCMQJzoKCC4QxwEQ0QMQJzoFCAAQkQI6CAguELEDEIMBOhEILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARDRAzoOCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQ0QM6CAgAELEDEIMBOgUIABCABDoLCC4QgAQQsQMQgwE6CwgAEIAEELEDEMkDOgsILhCABBDHARCvAToLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6CAguEIAEELEDOg4ILhCABBDHARDRAxDUAjoLCC4QgAQQsQMQ1AI6DgguEIAEELEDEIMBENQCOggIABCABBCxAzoFCC4QgAQ6BAgAEB46BggAEB4QCjoGCAAQCBAeOggIABAIEB4QCjoFCAAQhgM6BQghEKsCOggIIRAWEB4QHVAAWP4YYPAdaABwAHgAgAGYAYgBrwmSAQM2LjaYAQCgAQE&sclient=gws-wiz 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdelker Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Yes, head gasket backwards is easy to do. I torqued mine down, thought I had it backwards, took it apart, only to verify I had it on right *head slap*. Had to get a new gasket though. No reason to re-machine unless you see serious indents from it being installed wrong. I wouldn't think that would happen, but I'm not looking at your block. Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdcvg Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 I got the head off and there are no marks or indents of any kind. The new gaskets are a complete kit from Fel-pro and they look a lot better the the OEM ones so I'm gonna re-do both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 In my experience, OEM is the best gasket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdcvg Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 Well the logic supports that. I went for an OEM gasket. Local dealer has the highest prices around but it will save Me time. 99.53$ for one gasket. Oh well I am already 9000$ into an 8000$ build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdcvg Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 Head back on plus intake and timing stuff. Final look over tomorrow then back in the car for attempt #2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdcvg Posted October 22, 2022 Author Share Posted October 22, 2022 She runs. No leaks so far. 10 mins at 2500 rpm almost no issues. It did something funky at the 9 1/2 min. mark and started running up and down an wierd. I parked it and then saw I forgot to plug in MAF at air filter box. I'm guessing that was the culprit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Thats normal, LOL. Forgot to say anything. ECM is programmed to do that. Some sort of OEM trigger telling you that high idle for 10 minutes is not normal. If you blip the throttle it immediately stops. I always knew I was almost there even without the timer running in my logging software when that happened. You are good. Let her cool completely. Its almost time for the first drive. Yay for you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdcvg Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 New oil and filter in and 1st drive in. 15 miles with a log done requested by the tuner. No leaks and no major issues. Feels smooth, good oil and coolant temps and good oil pressure. I'll get 100 in and change oil. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Follow my instructions for break in driving and the rings should set very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Glad to hear she's running well. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdcvg Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 Got 2 noises I gotta find. One sounds like maybe dogbone is knocking and two sounds like some kind of exhaust rattle under middle of the car. Could be anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdcvg Posted October 26, 2022 Author Share Posted October 26, 2022 Sent a log of first drive to My E-tuner and He says everything looks good so onto 100 miles and another OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdcvg Posted October 27, 2022 Author Share Posted October 27, 2022 Clunk under the hood found to be the Grimmspeed splitter knocking into underside of hood. The other noise appears to be gear whine that I didn't have before. The only change was the upgrade to Group N motor mounts so maybe they are amplifying the noise when decelerating in gear. Quite loud in 3rd and 4th. Very disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 If you stiffen it noises will come. Dont know why people expect harder durameter rubber and poly to be forgiving like oem. Race cars are not quiet. Oem is a balance, its very difficult to make a good oem car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdcvg Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 Yeah I expected an increase in NVH but it was a little more than what I anticipated after reading 50 or so reviews. I will get used to it and probably make it worse by adding the tranny mount. The improvement in shifting and launch overall was noticeable . While I was poking around under the car I took a close look at the trans mount and it isn't too good so I will sacrifice some quiet for better feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverton Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 People want race cars but then don't realize all the bad things that come with race cars. I certainly had more fun replacing worn components with OE on my 2001 legacy, vs turning my 2001 impreza in to a race car. I got to drive the legacy a lot more, that's for sure! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Back in Aug 04 I replaced the stock rear tranny mount with a solid STI mount, I think it was $64.00 That did a nice job of holding the 5mt in place but had no increase in noise. A couple of years back, I replaced the other two bushings on the tranny H frame mount, and those added noises. The wagon taught me years ago, to push in the clutch, put the tranny in neutral, coast to stop sign, etc. rather than leave it in gear to decelerate. A few of us have posted about the 1940's truck transmission noise. 1 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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