YeuEmMaiMai Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 ^ lemon laws apply to any car that is still under manufacturer warranty and depending upon when they bought their car, they may still be under that warranty. Where I live they use the following criteria to determine lemon law worthiness: 1. Four or more unsuccessful attempts to repair the same defect; or, 2. One unsuccessful attempt to repair a defect that has caused the complete failure of the steering or braking system and that is likely to cause death or serious bodily injury; or, 3. A car that has been out of service due to warranty repairs for 30 or more cumulative business days. 4. In each case the initial defect must occur within the warranty period, or two years, whichever comes first, but the manufacturer’s repair attempts may extend to the end of the third year. Even if you do not meet one of the above categories, you may still have a lemon law claim, but it will be harder to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opie Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 ^ lemon laws apply to any car that is still under manufacturer warranty and depending upon when they bought their car, they may still be under that warranty. Not true, it is not tied to the warranty at all. Each state has their own rules and people should check with their states Attorney General to see what qualifies as a lemon in their state. In Florida, a "Lemon" can only be claimed within the first 24 months after the date of purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upstater Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 http://www.mass.gov/ocabr/consumer-rights-and-resources/autos/lemon-laws/new-leased-lemon-law.html Massachusetts, one year or 15k, whichever comes first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeuEmMaiMai Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Not true, it is not tied to the warranty at all. Each state has their own rules and people should check with their states Attorney General to see what qualifies as a lemon in their state. In Florida, a "Lemon" can only be claimed within the first 24 months after the date of purchase. find me a state where lemon laws apply after factory warranty has expired and you have your first issue? Where I live you can only claim lemon law when the first repair attempt falls within the first 2 years of car ownership and it may be extended to the third under certain circumstances and that is within the time period of the 3/36 warranty. some states may make that time frame shorter or longer. Steering or brake issues are issues that can be claimed under the third year. Mileage where I live is irrelevant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upstater Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Thanks for the advice on the mounts. Very good information to share on the forums. I think for now we are going to risk it with the stock mounts. My wife drives the Legacy mostly and if she is cornering hard enough with the 20mm bar to bend the mounts......I want to be able to be mad at her for not including me on such likely fun shenanigans! One month (+) in, I just lifted the car onto jack stands and thoroughly inspected the 20mm rear sway bar upgrade I had installed using the new bushings but OEM stock end links/bushing brackets (and I reinstalled the OEM nuts/bolts). I don't do auto crossing, but normal 'spirited' onramps and offramp... Zero issues, everything tight and unbent. I won't bother upgrading end links/bushing mounts unless I see an issue later, but I won't be inspecting it that often since I can't see anything askew now. I don't think standard commuting will destroy the OEM endlinks or mounts, even with a 20mm upgraded sway bar, but YMMV, use your OEM parts and recheck it after a month or two to be safe.. Edited July 20, 2017 by upstater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradLegacy2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 One month (+) in, I just lifted the car onto jack stands and thoroughly inspected the 20mm rear sway bar upgrade I had installed using the new bushings but OEM stock end links/bushing brackets (and I reinstalled the OEM nuts/bolts). I don't do auto crossing, but normal 'spirited' onramps and offramp... Zero issues, everything tight and unbent. I won't bother upgrading end links/bushing mounts unless I see an issue later, but I won't be inspecting it that often since I can't see anything askew now. I don't think standard commuting will destroy the OEM endlinks or mounts, even with a 20mm upgraded sway bar, but YMMV, use your OEM parts and recheck it after a month or two to be safe.. I just took a look the other day. I am running the same setup as you. No issues or anything. Everything looks good. Super happy I went ahead with this mod. Way worth it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedeck Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I installed a 20mm. Did you get an OEM 20mm bar/bushings? New to the 3.6R, for the second time (I had a 2011 previously), and this is my/our 9th Subaru (between the wife and I, since 2002 (WRX wagon)). I just traded my impreza, and had a 20mm STi bar on there, but, sold the bar/etc. I'm sure the 20mm is more than enough for a daily driver, but, this time, I think I might like to go with a 22mm, or adjustable. Anyone have the part number for the whiteline or OEM 20mm bars, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda_One Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) [emoji93][emoji93][emoji93][emoji93][emoji93][emoji93][emoji93] Welcome [emoji93][emoji93][emoji93][emoji93][emoji93] To the 6 Gen This Stickies Thread will be your source of a lot of aftermarket for the 6 Gen. Look under Suspension in the first post. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4987582 Laughing at Oneself and with Others is Good for the Soul[emoji16] Edited October 11, 2017 by Yoda_One Laughing at Oneself and with Other is good for the Soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedeck Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 ^^ Thanks...didn't see the sticky, while searching thru threads. Doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeuEmMaiMai Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) Did you get an OEM 20mm bar/bushings? New to the 3.6R, for the second time (I had a 2011 previously), and this is my/our 9th Subaru (between the wife and I, since 2002 (WRX wagon)). I just traded my impreza, and had a 20mm STi bar on there, but, sold the bar/etc. I'm sure the 20mm is more than enough for a daily driver, but, this time, I think I might like to go with a 22mm, or adjustable. Anyone have the part number for the whiteline or OEM 20mm bars, please? bar comes with bushings and you will re-use all other hardware. also I would remove bar and end links as a unit as it is a PITB to get the end links off if you have had your car for a few years. I ended up ordering new end links... These are the part numbers you will get Part Number(s): Bar 20451VA000 - Bushings 20464VA000 x2 Edited October 12, 2017 by YeuEmMaiMai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedeck Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 ^^ Thanks! Car is only a few weeks old, so, should be easy enough to remove the old one. Appreciate the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradLegacy2017 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 ^^ Thanks! Car is only a few weeks old, so, should be easy enough to remove the old one. Appreciate the info. Good luck. You will certainly be glad you did this mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedeck Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) ^^For sure. I've always upgraded the bar on almost every scoob I've had...this one will be no different. I still remember the time when I did this install (http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/cusco-f-r-swaybar-review-18413.html) and that was on my first ever LGT, from '05 -- great mod(s), but, no longer have the car. Edited October 12, 2017 by inthedeck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsmith Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) Should be an easy swap. I backed up on ramps, swapped the bar and bushings, and was done in 20 or so minutes. I had my car about a month when I did it as well. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited October 13, 2017 by Jsmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeuEmMaiMai Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I did mine with the car on the ground and it was fairly easy.. you need to have the suspension loaded when you install the bar so the bushings are not being loaded when the car is placed back onto the ground. Putting the car up on ramps will also keep the suspension loaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerguy419 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 (edited) So what's the easiest way to do this install with the car on the ground? What do you mean the suspension needs to be loaded? Am I supposed to jack the differential up? Parts department is also telling me the Crosstrek sway bar physically won't fit. Edited December 26, 2017 by Beerguy419 Additional comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATS4LIFE Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 So what's the easiest way to do this install with the car on the ground? What do you mean the suspension needs to be loaded? Am I supposed to jack the differential up? Parts department is also telling me the Crosstrek sway bar physically won't fit. Yes it’s much easier when Car is on the ground,it’s very easy to install only took me 10-15 min to remove old and install new one, I have the 20mm one,and it’s night and day difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upstater Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Suspension does not need to be loaded, you can put the rear on jackstands and it will be easier to get under the car to install it. Can it also be done on the ground? probably, but it is a lot easier with a little more room to move around, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATS4LIFE Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Suspension does not need to be loaded, you can put the rear on jackstands and it will be easier to get under the car to install it. Can it also be done on the ground? probably, but it is a lot easier with a little more room to move around, imho. I was able to do it with Car on the ground with an eased but then again I’m only 5’1”lol but either way it’s easy install Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeuEmMaiMai Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Suspension does not need to be loaded, you can put the rear on jackstands and it will be easier to get under the car to install it. Can it also be done on the ground? probably, but it is a lot easier with a little more room to move around, imho. there is more than enough room for an average dude to slide under the rear bumper and remove and install the bar. You can also back the car up onto ramps and do it that way.. there are only 4 8 fasteners to remove 4x sway bar bushing cap bolts 2x end link bolts and 2x sway bar bolts. if you replace your end links like I did then it is only 6 fasteners to remove but still 8 to reinstall. I took the bar/links out as an assembly and that was a cake walk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocGiggles Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 If anyone is in my area and want to upgrade I bought one of the 20mm rear bar and never got around to installing it. Would let it go pretty cheap, but I'm not going go ship it, too awkward. I know I’m super late but do you still have the bar? And if so where you located? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcEWoLF Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Any recommendations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
securityguy Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 The factory sway bars are nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda_One Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 [emoji38] Laughing at oneself and with others is good for the Soul![emoji2] Laughing at Oneself and with Other is good for the Soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda_One Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Any recommendations?http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4987582 Start Here! Laughing at oneself and with others is good for the Soul![emoji2] Laughing at Oneself and with Other is good for the Soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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