I Donated thefultonhow Posted March 28, 2011 I Donated Share Posted March 28, 2011 There are still gradations. I watched the temp gauge rise steadily on my test drive when I realized the coolant was low. I would let it got to a certain point, shut off the engine, wait 5 minutes, and then drive again until it got back to that point. Took me a while to get home, but it was worth it. Just because the gauge is inaccurate does not mean it says absolutely nothing about the temperature of the engine. Is it perfect? No, but it's still more useful than an idiot light. Many oil pressure gauges take a very long average of the pressure, such that it may take 10 seconds for it to register full oil pressure when the car is started. That doesn't mean that it's not better to have that gauge than just an oil pressure warning light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydtron Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 And again, the red light comes on at a temperature suitable to turn the car off. Just because it doesn't slowly change to hot, doesn't mean it won't warn you. If it is really of a concern to you, you shouldn't rely on a factory temperature gauge since it is by, very specific design, inaccurate. For all the talk it gets here, I'm surprised at the hypocrisy of people using factory gauges despite bemoaning the blue-off-red light of the 4th gen. Then again, milquetoast criticism is the norm for car forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted March 28, 2011 I Donated Share Posted March 28, 2011 And again, the red light comes on at a temperature suitable to turn the car off. Just because it doesn't slowly change to hot, doesn't mean it won't warn you. If it is really of a concern to you, you shouldn't rely on a factory temperature gauge since it is by, very specific design, inaccurate. For all the talk it gets here, I'm surprised at the hypocrisy of people using factory gauges despite bemoaning the blue-off-red light of the 4th gen. Then again, milquetoast criticism is the norm for car forums. Do you really only drive in areas where you can safely pull over as soon as the light comes on? I don't, and thus advance warning is useful. If you don't want the additional accuracy that even an imprecise temp gauge provides oven an idiot light, good for you. I happen to want it, and I think most others on this forum would agree with me, whether or not they own 08+ Legacies (the later 4th gens got the idiot light too -- this isn't a 4th gen vs. 5th gen holy war here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydtron Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Do you really think that when the needle says it is above running temperature that it is anywhere near the actual running temperature? I have a bridge to sell you if so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted March 28, 2011 I Donated Share Posted March 28, 2011 Do you really think that when the needle says it is above running temperature that it is anywhere near the actual running temperature? I have a bridge to sell you if so.... I'd be willing to bet it's closer to operating temperature than when the light comes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydtron Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 why would the light be intentionally inaccurate? Because the car is ugly? The light is set to trigger at 225-230 or whatever is apropos for EJ25s, whereas the coolant temperature gauge is by design set to lag behind the actual coolant temperature so people don't freak out about temperature fluctuations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted March 28, 2011 I Donated Share Posted March 28, 2011 I decided to actually look this up. You are wrong. http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/thefultonhow/Subaru/coolantgauge.gif Page IDI-13 of the 2005 FSM. The temperature gauge does not lag at all -- it just doesn't register any changes within the normal operating range. As soon as it is outside of the range, it functions accurately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydtron Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 you win the internet argument! congratulations, my car is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted March 28, 2011 I Donated Share Posted March 28, 2011 you win the internet argument! congratulations, my car is bad It's worth noting that I actually like a lot of things about the 5th gen that people with 4th gens usually complain about (electronic parking brake being one of them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydtron Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 still, it's only an 8-13 degree difference of "idiot light" assuming it should light up at around 220-225 with also another assumption of both engines normally running at 158-212 I still wouldn't trust the gauge, though, 212 is awfully hot and you should spike that constantly in bad traffic in the southern states. I'd rather it be accurate from 190+ so you have plenty of time to figure out your options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted March 28, 2011 I Donated Share Posted March 28, 2011 I wouldn't mind having a more accurate gauge, but I'll take what I can get. Also, if I were looking at a 5th gen, this wouldn't be a dealbreaker feature for me -- just a minor annoyance. It would be nice if Subaru went back to having a temp gauge, but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ in PA Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Why replace the gauge with a light, though? Was there really a pressing need to put a mpg gauge where the temp gauge used to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssbtech Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Especially on a GT where one doesn't typically care about fuel economy Would have been nice if it was a dual-mode gauge. Fuel econ switchable to a boost gauge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laufu Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Here is some food for thought. I remembered looking at pictures of the Legacy Concept's interior, and it did have a temperature gauge in it as well as EL gauges. Go figure. http://www.autoblog.com/photos/subaru-legacy-concept/#1278340 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imrac Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Gotta ask though, is there a manual way to override the parking break? Like you kill the battery and want to push start it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Short answer: Yes. Long answer: I believe there is a screw-type device that you have to turn, underneath the car. Update: Check this link for manual release operation: http://www.cars101.com/subaru/parkingbrakerelease.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted March 28, 2011 I Donated Share Posted March 28, 2011 Holy shit... 200 to 250 rotations? I'd stick with jumper cables! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydtron Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Long answer: no I wonder how drained the battery has to be in order for it not to release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted March 28, 2011 I Donated Share Posted March 28, 2011 I've had my battery drained to the point where none of the accessories or lights work (in fact, it's happened twice on this car since I got it in June). I'm guessing an electronic parking brake wouldn't work in that situation. Then again, neither would an ECU, injectors, coil packs, etc. So it's kind of a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ in PA Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I've had my battery drained to the point where none of the accessories or lights work (in fact, it's happened twice on this car since I got it in June). I'm guessing an electronic parking brake wouldn't work in that situation. Then again, neither would an ECU, injectors, coil packs, etc. So it's kind of a moot point. Except that you don't need the ECU, injectors, etc. in order to push a disabled vehicle. You do, however, need to be able to operate the parking brake. Having a parking brake dependent upon electronics just seems like a dumb idea to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted March 29, 2011 I Donated Share Posted March 29, 2011 Except that you don't need the ECU, injectors, etc. in order to push a disabled vehicle. You do, however, need to be able to operate the parking brake. Having a parking brake dependent upon electronics just seems like a dumb idea to me. Why would you need to push a vehicle that was safely parked before the battery died? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ in PA Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Why would you need to push a vehicle that was safely parked before the battery died? Who knows, s*** happens. Lots of possibilities... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imrac Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Having a parking brake dependent upon electronics just seems like a dumb idea to me. Agreed, I don't feel like relying on a 3 dollar electric motor to release the parking brake. Think of it this way, you are parked on a hill, the brake fails to release, are you really prepared to get under your car to release the brake manually or have to wait for assistance? Seems like they Rube Goldberg'ed something that didn't need to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydtron Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 An electric motor is excessively complex? I'm amazed you can user the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imrac Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 An electric motor is excessively complex? I'm amazed you can user the internet They added complexity, going from a spring, cables and a lever to wires, switch, fuse, motor, relay(?), some sort of ECU integration and whatever else they use. Also, I can "user" the internet just fine. http://car-and-safety.com/service/subaru-legacy-2010.htm SUBARU LEGACY 2010 Safety Report #TB-06-39-09R SUBARU LEGACY 2010 technical service bulletin was issued Sept 30, 2009.SUBARU LEGACY 2010 had a failed SERVICE BRAKES, ELECTRIC . SUBARU: ELECTRONIC PARKING BRAKE-DTC C0251. A REPROGRAMMING FILE IS NOW AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS DTC (DIAGNOSTIC TROUBLE CODE) C0251 WHICH WILL CHANGE THE ACTUATOR MOVEMENT DETECTING CRITERIA. *PE . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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