krzyss Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 AWD car is much safer than RWD or FWD car in a corner. I am not sure if 90/10 Subaru system is safer (not to mention much safer) than RWD or FWD car. If AWD system changes which axle gets more power mid corner it may disturb the balance and catch the driver unexpected. Making general statements is prone to exaggeration. Krzys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kario Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 I am not sure if 90/10 Subaru system is safer (not to mention much safer) than RWD or FWD car. If AWD system changes which axle gets more power mid corner it may disturb the balance and catch the driver unexpected. Making general statements is prone to exaggeration. Krzys This only applies to 4EAT (and CVT maybe ?) cars. But with than transmission you still get better front to back wieght distribution than FWD cars, no torque steer and some understeer so the car is safer for a regular driver in a corner. In order to disturb the balance 2 things must happen. First transferring power to rear axle must be slow enough so engine power is up. Second power transfer must be sudden, spike like and not smooth. This was only the issue with some early haldex FWD based cars AFAIK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10legacy Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Someone on the forum researched this and found out that the AWD with CVT transmission is actually 60/40 not 90/10. The Manual Trans is 50/50 I think the Auto Trans is 50/50 too. I'll see if i can find the post or the info. Here is the Info from subaru: (I highlighted the important stuff in Bold) All-Wheel Drive is the Lineartronic® CVT (Continuously Variable Transmission). This production-car first - a CVT longitudinally paired with AWD that uses a chain instead of a belt - allows for a near infinite selection of gear ratios, keeping the engine in the most favourable rpm range at all times. This advanced transmission is mated to a multi-plate transfer clutch AWD system that maintains a 60/40 torque split (front/rear) and automatically adjusts up to a 50/50 split under hard acceleration. The Lineartronic CVT (which is standard on Legacy 2.5i Convenience Package and 2.5i Limited Package and available on 2.5i and 2.5i Sport Package) is also specifically tuned to provide a more natural feel than other designs for instant response on demand with minimal application of the accelerator pedal. Paddle shifters also provide a 6-step manual mode for quick response on demand. The Legacy 3.6R comes equipped with a Variable Torque Distribution (VTD) AWD system paired with a 5-speed automatic transmission with Manual Mode. Using an electro-mechanical centre differential with the advanced capabilities of a planetary gear set, VTD maintains a sporty 45/55 (front/rear) torque distribution and moves towards a 50/50 torque split in slippery conditions or under hard acceleration. This electronically controlled 5-speed transmission also features driver-adaptive shifting, blipping control for sportier downshifts and manual gear selection via paddle shifters. For maximum control and sporty satisfaction, a new, slick-shifting, 6-speed manual transmission is standard on the Legacy 2.5i and turbocharged 2.5GT. This transmission is linked to an AWD system that utilizes a viscous-coupling limited-slip centre differential and maintains a 50/50 torque split (front/rear) for heightened response under all conditions. The new 6-speed also offers smoother, more precise shifting in a more compact and lightweight design to further boost its sporty nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideways the Seven Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I like both the 4th and 5th gen Legacies, but the handling does leave much to be desired in stock form. My SER is worlds better stock for stock. Oh, and the MS6 does suck. -Brandon 2007 Chevrolet Suburban LT3 1981 Chevrolet C10 LWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlinerider Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 wow, i would like to thank everyone for the amusement that helped me procrastinate my research project. Also i thought legacy owners are supposed to be friendly about cars. Everyone likes THEIR legacy and thats all that matters its what makes it yours....this looks like a immature nasioc posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydtron Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 your momma also, what research project? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlinerider Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 macro-economics. I have to create a false economy and than create different situations and follow what i think the reactions of the economy would be. It is not nearly as amusing as this awesome thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kario Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 I think that You should also participate so that we all have even more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongHiway Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 wow, i would like to thank everyone for the amusement that helped me procrastinate my research project. Also i thought legacy owners are supposed to be friendly about cars. Everyone likes THEIR legacy and thats all that matters its what makes it yours....this looks like a immature nasioc posting The NASIOC folks have been around a lot longer, we are just begining to grow up like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydtron Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 macro-economics. I have to create a false economy and than create different situations and follow what i think the reactions of the economy would be. It is not nearly as amusing as this awesome thread. Throw it against virtual economies and it might be amusing. It'd be neat to read about from an economist how all the video game economies act compared to real world economies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Ummm... MS6 still sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz98gt Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 Ummm... MS6 still sucks no one wants to argue about a 2nd gen? I got through 3 pages of this thread and all it turned into was a bashfest. Internet drama ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydtron Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 2nd gens could handle pretty well, heard they had active weight reduction through a trick headgasket that let excess fluid out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeNH Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 2nd gens could handle pretty well, heard they had active weight reduction through a trick headgasket that let excess fluid out The truck I had in high school did something similar, except it would drop exhaust parts... Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them -Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydtron Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 My old Pontiac would have the interior fall apart, but I had to manually chuck them in the trash. You can always tell who owned a 90s GM car by seeing if they had a spare set of needle nose pliers to replace their HVAC knobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpgspecb Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 Does this mean I think something is WRONG with the 5th gen? Nothing wrong with a 5th gen that isn't wrong with any car that tries to be all things to all people. We are not trying to copy a rock crawler, formula one or submarine. All things considered, everything in subaru lineup is better than mediocre. +1,000,000 ftw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_sharp Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Handles better than a 3 series? Sure, against a lease spec with allseasons and a porky AWD setup. A4? Sure, again with allseasons and an engine placement that boggles the mind. Lexus 250 AWD? Sure, against the most underwhelming "sports" sedan of all time. Surprised you didn't put a LeSabre or Avalon in the mix. They're some mean apex carvers! Back in reality, the car handles like garbage. Too much weight out front, bad suspension setup and a numb chassis. Stop kidding yourself that any Legacy was decent, because it ain't. It handles for what it is and always has been -- an AWD Camry you could get with a stick and something other than a boring 4 pot. You're wrong about the A4. The A4 had summer tires (that were wider than the LGTs) and the S-line package and cost a LOT more than the Spec.B that it was compared to. And the MS6 that it went up against also had RE050a tires. Sure the IS250 isn't much of a sport sedan, but cost quite a bit more than the GT, along with most of the contenders in the link below. That's the point of the 4th gen 2.5GT: you couldn't beat it for the money. Whether you're willing to admit it or not, the 2010 2.5GT did not achieve this status. We will all be looking forward to the comparison of the "new and improved" 2010 2.5GT against the competition. Also, you're right about the stock 2.5GT having terrible handling. I'm sure that the 20lbs added to the 2010 completely changed that, though. http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/comparison/all-wheel-drive-sport-sedans/results_and_final_standings_page_9 New for 2011: Folding mirrors! (which will also improve handling) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPU1 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Toyota makes boring cars (and also make a lot of money)... it's rubbing off on Subaru (because Subaru wants to make money)... I don't like it... I probably wont buy another (I will keep mine longer than I had planned)... /END If you are so upset about it, move into one of the German brands... they make wonderful cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krzyss Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Yes, they do but charge arm and leg for it. 05-09 GT was lower priced alternative, 10+ is AWD alternative to Camry, Accord. Apparently it sells well so it was good business decision. But is it better car? It is different. Krzys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydtron Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 It's a better car by any objective metric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky_808 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 There are a few issues that could be better about the LGT but over all I bought mine (#4 subaru) because it stands alone from most other cars. that and it's a Subaru..LOL :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 ... MS6 still sucks ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 If you are so upset about it, move into one of the German brands... they make wonderful cars. And in my opinion German cars are boring because they try too much to be perfect in every sense. It's something like racing a leather couch. You can do it - but it's not really making sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneDoubleN Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 And in my opinion German cars are boring because they try too much to be perfect in every sense. It's something like racing a leather couch. You can do it - but it's not really making sense. My dad's '07 Audi S4 had about 4-5 different electric systems (power windows, swiveling power headlights, etc) crap out on him. His '10 BMW 528i had all the valve lifters recalled after a few thousand miles; you could hear the thing rattling like crazy. German cars aren't better; they're just more expensive and overly complex. Of all the japanese and german cars my family has owned (toyota, lexus, vw, audi); the japanese cars NEVER had any issues; while the german ones ALWAYS had at least one major issue (3 new transmissions to replace a defective one in an '03 VW passat!, 3!) German cars are highly overrated. I've driven plenty (including some very fast ones) and I typically came away unimpressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShrinerMonkey Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 my dad's '07 audi s4 had about 4-5 different electric systems (power windows, swiveling power headlights, etc) crap out on him. His '10 bmw 528i had all the valve lifters recalled after a few thousand miles; you could hear the thing rattling like crazy. German cars aren't better; they're just more expensive and overly complex. Of all the japanese and german cars my family has owned (toyota, lexus, vw, audi); the japanese cars never had any issues; while the german ones always had at least one major issue (3 new transmissions to replace a defective one in an '03 vw passat!, 3!) german cars are highly overrated. I've driven plenty (including some very fast ones) and i typically came away unimpressed. ^^^ +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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