LegGTLT Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 No. Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonwacker Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Weird. Curious to see if an aftermarket map will be able to flatten that dip. Cobb will no doubt market a BRZ AP. sorry...this forum practically blows goat nuts so im not always on here.Team Pony Express POSTED FROM MY COMPUTER USING A WEB BROWSER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSaladino Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Cobb had a BRZ AP out within a couple of months of the official release of the car. As for increasing driving pleasure... having a strong (and I do NOT mean 143 lb-ft) torque surge low down in the rev range really makes a car like this fun, and was something that I loved about the LGT (once the turbo spooled up of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zambazil Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 ..Anyone know how that increases driver pleasure? Something to do with drifting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeeeeYa Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Cobb had a BRZ AP out within a couple of months of the official release of the car. As for increasing driving pleasure... having a strong (and I do NOT mean 143 lb-ft) torque surge low down in the rev range really makes a car like this fun, and was something that I loved about the LGT (once the turbo spooled up of course) Apparently there are other ways to define "driving pleasure," thankfully. Excerpted from the Autocar review:http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/262247/ Better:http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=36869548&postcount=3 Above that, with peak torque chiming in between 6400rpm and 6600rpm, Subaru’s flat four takes is fizzy and flamboyant. Enough to excite the BRZ’s driver and enliven its chassis. Enough to make our little Mazda feel distinctly lower-rung, even though it’s still rewarding. But not so much to make you feel irresponsible about giving the BRZ its head on the road. Exercising the same commitment corner after corner, you discover all that fuss was 100 per cent deserved. A low centre of gravity means roll control is first rate. That enhances the sense of accuracy you get from the BRZ’s steering, and contributes to balance and agility of genuinely breathtaking order. Turn-in is instinctive. The BRZ takes no time to settle into a steady cornering state, even under high lateral loads. The engine’s linear power curve gets together with the torque-sensing limited-slip differential to allow you to play with the car’s cornering attitude in a spellbindingly delicate and precise fashion. This is a sports car first and a fast car second – which is refreshing to report. While the BRZ’s limits are impressive, it’s more the breadth and habitability of the margins of its handling that end up holding your imagination hostage. You don’t need to goad it. Just drive it with the same smooth composure and exactness that characterises the car vividly. Once you’re on terms with it, it becomes playful, subtle and totally beguiling. You can’t help falling for it. Neither the 370Z nor the MX-5 can thrill at that level. Compared to Subaru, they look like blunt, dull communicators here, outclassed by a new affordable driver’s car of amazing delicacy and extraordinary talent. One that could be the best sports car to come out of Japan since the Honda NSX, and that must be worth £25k from anyone who knows what sunny weekends and great roads were really made for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Non sequitur much? I don't even know what you mean by that. I'm not sure why you are so hung up on my comments. If you don't understand keep it moving. I have no time to play forum crashers with the eHard crowd, I'm too old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 What's an eHard? Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 "One interesting stat that showed up on the line graph was a 14-percent drop in torque between 3,200 and 4,500 RPM. This was reportedly done by engineers on purpose to increase driving pleasure lower in the rev range, which sounds like a solid compromise to us." Not sure how it increases driver pleasure, but that's the excuse they give. Anyone know how that increases driver pleasure? Daily driving is usually below 3k rpm and they probably improved torque in that range at the cost of the torque around 4k. Add to it that by having the engine smooth at lower rpms it's easier to get a good fuel economy and coping with emissions regulations. Nothing that can't be changed by a good tuner. Or a turbocharging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonwacker Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 What's an eHard? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Ehard sorry...this forum practically blows goat nuts so im not always on here.Team Pony Express POSTED FROM MY COMPUTER USING A WEB BROWSER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted April 13, 2012 I Donated Share Posted April 13, 2012 I'm not sure why you are so hung up on my comments. If you don't understand keep it moving. I have no time to play forum crashers with the eHard crowd, I'm too old. Oh, so now you're getting butt-hurt because someone dares to question your logic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonwacker Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Will it drift? Consumer Reports says, "oooooh yeah." Baruth thinks that's only true if you're, "a licensed, experienced racer with a free pass to shitcan someone else’s $25,000 car sans consequences." http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/04/ft-86-will-it-blend-i-mean-doooorift/ Discuss. sorry...this forum practically blows goat nuts so im not always on here.Team Pony Express POSTED FROM MY COMPUTER USING A WEB BROWSER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShrinerMonkey Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Will it drift? Consumer Reports says, "oooooh yeah." Baruth thinks that's only true if you're, "a licensed, experienced racer with a free pass to shitcan someone else’s $25,000 car sans consequences." http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/04/ft-86-will-it-blend-i-mean-doooorift/ Discuss. That CR video ought to put to rest all the B.S. complaining about how CR should only review toasters and don't know anything about cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05LGTLtd Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 CR is drift testing, The End of the World is nigh. All I need now is a hill holder and a center passing light... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Daily driving is usually below 3k rpm and they probably improved torque in that range at the cost of the torque around 4k. Add to it that by having the engine smooth at lower rpms it's easier to get a good fuel economy and coping with emissions regulations. Nothing that can't be changed by a good tuner. Or a turbocharging. If they adjusted the tune for the FB25 for the RWD platform I bet they could have a N/A roadster with 200 to the wheels, maybe more, and a broader power band. But we all know the FA20T is on the horizon to satisfy the power hunger or at least I hope since the EJ is about to be put to rest with the newer WRX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted April 19, 2012 I Donated Share Posted April 19, 2012 If they adjusted the tune for the FB25 for the RWD platform I bet they could have a N/A roadster with 200 to the wheels, maybe more, and a broader power band. Nah bro, the FA20 only got there because it has direct injection. Besides, a heavier engine would have compromised handling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueWhiteBoy Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 What is the weight difference between the FA and the FB25? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted April 20, 2012 I Donated Share Posted April 20, 2012 What is the weight difference between the FA and the FB25? I doubt it's much. But every little bit counts, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Nah bro, the FA20 only got there because it has direct injection. Besides, a heavier engine would have compromised handling. Very aggressive there is no replacement for displacement the difference btwn FA vs FB is DI. .5L more of displacement in a FA variant would mean gains you can't argue that:redface: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted April 23, 2012 I Donated Share Posted April 23, 2012 Very aggressive there is no replacement for displacement the difference btwn FA vs FB is DI. .5L more of displacement in a FA variant would mean gains you can't argue that:redface: The FB25 makes less power than the FA20, and there is no FA25. You were saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 What is the weight difference between the FA and the FB25? The FA vs FB weight wise wouldnt be very much given the difference in fueling. Now if you are talking FA20 vs FB25 there might be a larger delta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 To be fair, I think the difference in weight between a FA20 and a FA25 would be negligible. Slightly heavier pistons, slightly heavier cylinder linings, slightly heavier crank. But overall, probably only a few pounds. I think they chose 2.0L over 2.5L for the fuel efficiency and emissions. Remember, in a lot of markets car owners are taxed based on the car's CO2 output. By going with a 2.0L they essentially cut CO2 emissions by about 20%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted April 23, 2012 I Donated Share Posted April 23, 2012 As I said, there is no FA25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I thought the PZEV 2.5i was the answer to all the emissions issues? Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 The FB25 makes less power than the FA20, and there is no FA25. You were saying? btwn FA vs FB is DI. .5L more of displacement in a FA variant would mean gains you can't argue that Read. As in, IF there were a FA variant in the 2.5L class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I thought the PZEV 2.5i was the answer to all the emissions issues? Maybe if they take it back 05 PZEVs built in 04 with spider manifold *Ivan Drago Voice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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