stewthebassman Posted June 15, 2005 Author Share Posted June 15, 2005 Some of your posts have really begun to prove how silly you can be. But it's lovable kind of silly, completely tolerable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melayout Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Some of your posts have really begun to prove how silly you can be. Oops, I forgot . But seriously, with the I-Speed reflash, teh 5EAT just devours the 5MT. You gotta respect getting 400ft/lbs of torque from the 5EAT, which probably smokes the 5MT in 0-60 and 1/4. I keed I keeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emorphien Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Without doing any mods to the car, and I have no plans to right now, the buttdyno agrees that the MT feels stronger. In the end, babbling about speed is one of many dimensions of a cars performance, which is why I think hating on autos, or manuals or arguing about speed like this is a waste of time and you're just being a dumb auto fanboy and there are people just being dumb manual fanboys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melayout Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Without doing any mods to the car, and I have no plans to right now, the buttdyno agrees that the MT feels stronger. In the end, babbling about speed is one of many dimensions of a cars performance, which is why I think hating on autos, or manuals or arguing about speed like this is a waste of time and you're just being a dumb auto fanboy and there are people just being dumb manual fanboys. Just fueling teh fire, but if you do come upon my transmission related posts in other threads you would realize I've hated on teh 5EAT more the 5MT. You want the lowdown, I would have gotten the 5MT if the WRX +Boy Racers hadn't ruined Subaru's 5MT reliablility image. I keed I keeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emorphien Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Funny thing is the 5MT on the Legacy has been fine from what I can tell. They had the complimentary frangranced clutch, but that feature was removed in December it seems. My fresh new 05 waiting for me comes without Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringo Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 20 year old technology => 5MT && <5 year old technology => 5EAT && True => ( ( 5EAT > 5MT ) && ( 5EAT ()\/\/|\|2 5MT) ) QED I've found an error in your code: line 3 should read: True => ( ( ( 5EAT > 5MT ) && ( 5EAT ()\/\/|\|2 5MT) ) XOR ( driver.skill > suck || driver != punani ) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVXWRX Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 no one mensioned tranmission power loss whatsoever... that's the main reason why traditional auto is slower than manual, speed wise. more power is going through the transmission in manual that overcome the small shifting time difference. DING DING DING DING! we have a winner! Manual with computer controlled hydraulic shifting is the way to go (Sequencial Gear boxes), best of both worlds... if the STi had a sequential manual gearbox, i'd be all over it! two clutches - one for the odd numbered gears, one for the even ones. as one clutch is letting go of a gear, the other one is grabbing the next one - the electronic throttle control revs the engine to achieve seamless gear swaps in .08 seconds, all controlled by paddle shifters on the steering wheel. c'mon, Subaru - make it happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emorphien Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 DING DING DING DING! we have a winner! That's exactly the reason the manual won me over. The 5EAT was fast, and was quick, but the manual had a better seat of the pants feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdisco Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 I teach my kids it's not right to hate anyone, unless it's the Yankees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooked4Life Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Personally I am glad that I bought the 5MT since I do not drive my car in traffic daily. The only bad thing about the 5MT is that I think the feel of the clutch is kindy mushy. To find the sweet spot it is not as easy as most cars. Maybe Subie did this because of people who were dropping the clutch. On my 1G Talon I had a ACT clutch that I loved. Sure my left calf muscle got a work out, but it was so much easier to know when the clutch was engaging. All in all I love the LGT with the 5MT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWortham Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 no one mensioned tranmission power loss whatsoever... that's the main reason why traditional auto is slower than manual, speed wise. more power is going through the transmission in manual that overcome the small shifting time difference. Refer to my post on page 6. Manual with computer controlled hydraulic shifting is the way to go (Sequencial Gear boxes), best of both worlds... That's true, I still think this technology is the best one for performance. The only trouble is there are a lot of SMT's that shift too slow (namely the one for the Toyota MR2 Spyder) or are too expensive (reserved only for high-end cars such as the new M5). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melayout Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Refer to my post on page 6. That's true, I still think this technology is the best one for performance. The only trouble is there are a lot of SMT's that shift too slow (namely the one for the Toyota MR2 Spyder) or are too expensive (reserved only for high-end cars such as the new M5). For the MR2, is the actual shift slow, or the request-to-shift lag time too long? I keed I keeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWortham Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 In regards to the MR2 Spyder's SMT: The SMT has two main faults, however. One is that there is no "automatic" mode, meaning that the driver has to shift gears continually just like a regular manual transmission. The other is that the speed of its shifts isn't adjustable. Shifts that seem fine around town become agonizingly slow during full-throttle acceleration. Plant the throttle, rev the car to redline and upshift. The MR2 acts like it has stopped to take a breather as it automatically shuts the throttle until the shift is completed. http://www.modernracer.com/history/toyotamr2history.html I believe it was the upshifts that are the main problem -- taking nearly 1 full second to complete. They generally gave its downshift abilities a lot of praise though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melayout Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Similar coments can be said about the 5EAT, in that the downshifts are better/faster than the upshifts, but the upshifts don't shut throttle while shifting. Just that the request-to-shift lag on an upshift is not as fast as on a downshift, but the actual gear shift is fast enough. Having to shift all the time sequentially thru the gears instead of skipping gears in a 5MT or a full auto in 5EAT is just ridiculous, what was Toyota thinking?!!!! I keed I keeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommunist Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Similar coments can be said about the 5EAT, in that the downshifts are better/faster than the upshifts, but the upshifts don't shut throttle while shifting. Just that the request-to-shift lag on an upshift is not as fast as on a downshift, but the actual gear shift is fast enough. Having to shift all the time sequentially thru the gears instead of skipping gears in a 5MT or a full auto in 5EAT is just ridiculous, what was Toyota thinking?!!!! how are you guys acheiving the fastest shifts on the 5eat? do you just keep the gas on or do you let off or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melayout Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 how are you guys acheiving the fastest shifts on the 5eat? do you just keep the gas on or do you let off or what? Do you mean the fastest request-to-shift or actual-shift time ? Gas on all the way thru the shift. I keed I keeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommunist Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Do you mean the fastest request-to-shift or actual-shift time ? Gas on all the way thru the shift. overall fastest - i assume when the actual "shift" happens its the same no matter what but overall is what i meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melayout Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 It varies between driver since the transmission is adaptive, but it is definitely under 1 second. I keed I keeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJcart Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 No. That will never grow on me. The B9 Tribecca is nasty worst then the ugly @ss Pontiac Aztek http://a137.g.akamai.net/n/137/3538/20031229190757/www.cars.com/features/autoshows/2004/detroit/coverage/images/subaru_b9_scrambler_front_430.jpg Notice that Subaru doesn`t have many pictures of the Tribecca on their site. Sorry to go way OT here, but Holy Crap that looks awesome (I tend to like cars that don't have the same styling cues as every other one out there). The problem is, it just doesn't look like a Subaru. Of course, IMO none of the newly designed Subarus do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xantium Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 For a group of car guys you've all overlooked a damn obvious part of this argument. 5spd manual 1st 3.166 2nd 1.882 3rd 1.296 4th .972 5th .738 final reduction 4.111 5spd auto 1st 3.540 2nd 2.264 3rd 1.471 4th 1. 5th .834 final reduction 3.272 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooterman Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 The decision is made a little less academic for us in Oz. The GT MT has 255bhp and the AT only has 242bhp (the torque has a similar drop off in the AT as compared to the MT as well) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuzaxeman Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 not this thread again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mblock66 Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 The decision is made a little less academic for us in Oz. The GT MT has 255bhp and the AT only has 242bhp (the torque has a similar drop off in the AT as compared to the MT as well) Where did you get those #'s from????? That makes NO sense. The engine is the same in both cars. So BHP would be exactly the same! It is at the wheel that there is a slight difference not at the crank. Who ever told you that is silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melayout Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 No, this is the official word from the Japanense Subaru website. The AT model is rated lower than the MT. I keed I keeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mblock66 Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 No, this is the official word from the Japanense Subaru website. The AT model is rated lower than the MT. Link? Makes no sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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