BSB legacy Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Hey hi! will the avo 380lgt turbo fit perfectly on my car? im planing on buying HKS sport catalyzer will it fit to the turbo avo 380? Any upgrades on the engine if i install avo turbo? thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Don't buy the AVO380. It's slow to spool for the power you get, and that power is a lot less than AVO claims. The one advantage is has over the other bolt-ons is the BB cartridge. It will last basically forever. IMO, not worth it. HKS downpipe is nice but overpriced for what it is. Keep on shopping. What is your power target and how much are you willing to spend on supporting mods? Recommend you read the BNR bolt-up turbo thread in the turbo powertrain forum. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSFW Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 It would also help if you'd tell us what car you have... I'm guessing it's a Legacy, but what year? And what market? (US, Japan, EU, etc...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lieutenantcolumbo Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Don't buy the AVO380. It's slow to spool for the power you get, and that power is a lot less than AVO claims. The one advantage is has over the other bolt-ons is the BB cartridge. It will last basically forever. IMO, not worth it. Spools way faster than stock due to the BB cartridge IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I really doubt that. The dyno plots I have seen from this turbo all show it spooling like a 20G but not delivering that power. Well, except those supplied by AVO, of course. When it's double the price of a BNR it better spool earlier, make more power, make a good cup of coffee and give blowjobs as well... not necessarily in that order. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lieutenantcolumbo Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I really doubt that. The dyno plots I have seen from this turbo all show it spooling like a 20G but not delivering that power. Please post up these dyno plots, I'd be interested in seeing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnguyenbb6 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I agree with fahr_side, the AVO380 is an old turbo that does not spool well, does not make much power and is definitely not cheap. For the price level, you could pick up an ATP3076. Same spool, way more power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCwagon Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I would recommend riding in a car with an AVO 380. Scooby2.5's car is scary fast on E85. I drove it as well, and I did not feel that the turbo lag was anything to be concerned about. On 93 octane, it does spool a little slower. Side note: I believe that alot of people "over reference" dyno plots. They are all different and subjective in nature. I believe riding in a car is the best way to evaluate different set-ups if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnguyenbb6 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Its not that spool is that bad, its that there is IMO an excessive amount of lag for the amount of power made. And its $2k Example:http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1867573&highlight=avo380 It barely makes more than a Stage 2 STi with more lag, on pump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lieutenantcolumbo Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Its not that spool is that bad, its that there is IMO an excessive amount of lag for the amount of power made. And its $2k Example:http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1867573&highlight=avo380 It barely makes more than a Stage 2 STi with more lag, on pump. Odd, doesn't the writer of that post say: "The bad news with this was the 93 Shell Texas gas was CRAP! Calvin even asked where did you get this gas. So the first disappointment was I somehow got some crappy gas and he could not get it to not knock without pulling the timing." Not sure that's the greatest link to support your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnguyenbb6 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I run Texas Shell 93(95% of the time), I'm not sure what he's talking about. Maybe he got a bad batch. His E85 numbers are still not very impressive IMO for a $2k turbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 For the price level, you could pick up an ATP3076. Same spool, way more power. EFR is going to come in around this price point too... far more bang for your buck. I'd still like to hear from the OP what his power target is and how much he wants to spend in total... turbo plus supporting mods. For sure he could get a lot more supporting parts by NOT buying the AVO380! http://efilogics.com/dyno/graph.php?gb=0&hp=1&torque=1&boost=1&rpm=1&sl=1&sln=1&runid1=517&rgb1=000000255&runid2=627&rgb2=204000000&runid3=695&rgb3=000153000 Nothing to brag about on this plots... certainly not at that price. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustangendsley Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 get a HTA68 turbo and have fun with plenty of power and fast spool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Another thread implies OP is in a JDM LGT with EJ20 and 5EAT. In this case I think it's likely he has a twinscroll set up as it is, probably a TD04HLA-19T. There isn't much in the plugnplay arena for him. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lieutenantcolumbo Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Another thread implies OP is in a JDM LGT with EJ20 and 5EAT. In this case I think it's likely he has a twinscroll set up as it is, probably a TD04HLA-19T. There isn't much in the plugnplay arena for him. Good catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Why does everybody pull up dyno graphs from cars with an AVO380 and a TMIC, and then complain it doesn't perform well against turbo's of the month A through C that also have, coincidently, a FMIC fitted? We've said time and time again, a TMIC of any sort is a bottleneck past 320whp - doesn't matter what turbo is on it. Unfortunately, an AVO380 will bolt up with a TMIC instead of forcing people to get a FMIC, which is why we get these dynographs. Apples to apples people. Regards, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 ^^ Sorry but the VF52 nearly made the AVO380 obsolete, with the powerband shifted just a bit to the left. Anybody who would spend double the $ for the AVO even then (2 years ago), would need to have their sanity checked. The BNR came along and put the nail in the coffin of the whole AVO line-up. And even made the VF52 a less attractive option. The BNR line-up comes in 4 flavors that all are to the left or right of the AVO380 and the entire powerband of the BNR68 is above that of the AVO380. TMIC to TMIC, same apples. And the BNR is nearly half the price. The AVO was a great pioneer in offering LGT-fitment turbos, but better options, both in price and performance, have been around for a while now. AVO has done nothing new and still prices the turbos at double the competition. To AVO's credit, my sense is their turbos are still #1 in quality, by far. My '05 LGT My '07 Supercharged Shelby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spec B Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 to avo's credit, my sense is their turbos are still #1 in quality, by far. +1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSB legacy Posted June 2, 2011 Author Share Posted June 2, 2011 Yup its JDM legacy 2005 2.0t 5EA/T..my target for the hp is around 300-350.Budget i dont know yet...depends on the parts. im thinking for the other mods would be HKS silent hipower,HKS sport catalyzer,HKS intake,any aftermarket TMIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRSCobra Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 It seems that AVO's improved the 380 a bit. No word on how the new one performs, though... http://www.avoturboworld.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=233:avo380&catid=13:new-products&Itemid=26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 VF52's and BNR offerings are indeed cheaper, because they are journal bearing turbochargers and don't use Garrett CHRA's. Check around - ball bearing turbochargers are not cheap, never were and got even more expensive lately when Garrett raised their prices on their CHRA's. If people wonder why we went with Garrett ball-bearing CHRA's, you just have to look at how many people are purchasing a new turbo because their journal bearing turbo gave out prematurely. Sure, you can get turbochargers for half the cost, but if you have to buy two in the same time period and install twice, where's the cost savings? OTOH, I know there is some people that are not that worried about how long the turbo will last, and have a certain budget. But that's the great thing about having some diversity of choices, there's something for everybody's preferences then. Regards, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Check around - ball bearing turbochargers are not cheap, The OP would probably get more utility out of a statement to whether or not your turbo fits his car than a justification of it's price. Luckily, you're probably uniquely able to help in this regard. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumfoo1 Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 http://www.efilogics.com/dyno/graph.php?gb=0&hp=1&torque=1&rpm=1&sl=1&sln=1&runid1=627&rgb1=000000255&runid2=802&rgb2=204000000http://www.efilogics.com/dyno/graph.php?gb=0&hp=1&torque=1&rpm=1&sl=1&sln=1&runid1=695&rgb1=000000255&runid2=95&rgb2=204000000 http://www.efilogics.com/dyno/graph.php?gb=0&hp=1&torque=1&rpm=1&sl=1&sln=1&runid1=359&rgb1=000000255&runid2=95&rgb2=204000000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Gee, 1st and 3rd graph were TMIC vs. FMIC. Odd that the one graph where it was FMIC to FMIC, the results were much closer. I wonder why? Regards, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumfoo1 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I didn't say anything about them just posted them. I have no experience with them personally and there are 1 million 20gs out there, some making 250whp and some making nearly 400 hp. I'm sure if there were as many graphs of the avo turbos out there there would be more cars put together in a more complete manner. Also a tmic would increase spool not decrease it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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