apexjapan Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share Posted October 14, 2010 It's late, but had to just share some shots from the desert right after Subiefest: http://www.avoturboworld.com/images/stories/2010/2010_subiefest/subiefest_001.jpg http://www.avoturboworld.com/images/stories/2010/2010_subiefest/subiefest_002.jpg http://www.avoturboworld.com/images/stories/2010/2010_subiefest/subiefest_003.jpg http://www.avoturboworld.com/images/stories/2010/2010_subiefest/subiefest_004.jpg http://www.avoturboworld.com/images/stories/2010/2010_subiefest/subiefest_005.jpg Regards, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubunderpar Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Must......steal........wagon........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Mtl Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Paul, Do you see any issues in regards to this kit for those of us who experience cold winters? I'm in Montreal and it can get pretty darn mid-winter. Thanks, Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natoli4 Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Wagon is looking nice...any Bilsteins come your way lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnout8488 Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Paul, Do you see any issues in regards to this kit for those of us who experience cold winters? I'm in Montreal and it can get pretty darn mid-winter. Thanks, Richard Just an icy cold intercooler for max powaaaaa:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share Posted October 14, 2010 I don't see any issues, any more than any regular turbo model would have. At the baseline tune of around 4.5 - 5.0 PSI, it'll probably just feel unusually peppy. Regards, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawlwawl06 Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 I need another credit card lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stick3pedals Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Any updates Paul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share Posted October 19, 2010 I'm adding this to our online site right now: http://www.avoturboworld.com/avoshop/turbokit-preorder-p-111.html Basically, I'm giving you guys first crack at the pre-order bonuses. I realize after looking through all the posts I didn't mention fueling. Basically, we don't think it'll work on the stock fuel pump and injectors, at least not on the Legacy/Outback 2.5i's. We moved up to a stock Legacy GT fuel pump, and 430cc injectors from a JDM 2.0-liter WRX. The stock injectors are roughly 265cc. With the larger injectors and fuel pump, we hit 65% duty cycle at max, and that was at roughly 4.5-4.7psi. So you'll easily be running past 100% on the baseline map, and if you decide to tune the car for running at 6-7 psi (which it can), you'll get into the upper range on the larger injectors. And if you are planning to run e85 for some monster power and transmission munching torque, you'll need even larger injectors and fuel pump. Both of those items are easy to source, and I'm sure there is tons of used Legacy GT/08 WRX/STI fuel pumps on the market, given how many fuel pumps I sell. But that's about it for the "necessary" upgrades. Other options, like cat-back exhausts, will be by your choice. The turbocharger is capable of about 300hp, even though it does spool quite quickly. So there is plenty of headroom if you do choose to go for e85, or just want to push the envelope. Currently, all tuning is via OpenECU - Cobb left us little choice on that matter when they dropped support for NA models. If they ever change their mind on that, we'll provide maps for it as well. So we'll be providing baseline tuned ROM's for your particular model. As mentioned previously, all pre-orders will get either a free BOV or free MAF adapter/filter assembly. To clarify the reasons for that - the MAF adapter is just the 66mm aluminum MAF piece with 4" AVO air filter element. We are keeping that as an option because many people may already have a air intake upgrade of some sort. However, the Silicone Inlet Pipe *is* included in all kits! That part is necessary for correct routing of hoses! It's a wire-reinforced silicone inlet pipe (similar to our inlets for the turbo models) designed specifically for the turbo kit. So any MAF adapter should slide right on it. As for the BOV - well, at 4.5psi, a BOV isn't absolutely necessary. Sounds great, though! If you were running higher than 4.5psi (and I'm sure many people will), it will start becoming necessary. So price breakdown is like this: Pre-ordered Kits: W/ free bov or MAF: $3200 Full kit (free item + optional): $3350 After pre-order: Base kit: $3200 Base kit + BOV: $3400 Base kit + MAF: $3400 Full kit (both options): $3600 Please let me know if you have any other questions! BTW, I'm based in Seattle - anybody in this general area can take a test drive of the Outback when time is available. I'll also be driving down to California for the final Redline Time Attack of the season on the 14/15th of November, so can showcase the car for people at that time too! Regards, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanger Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 what does that $1000 price on the website includes? Ha, if the preorder price is $1000, i might actually bite on this deal. ○ ○ ○ Instagram: itshangertime :spin: ○ ○ ○ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmx045 Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 I'd be on it right now for $1k . So is this kit going to differ depending on the buyer's car? Have you tried it on different models? (in terms of fitment). Is this kit in production right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share Posted October 19, 2010 That's just a deposit to lock in your order and the free item! I'm not going to ask for the full amount up front, but we do need a deposit. Regards, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share Posted October 19, 2010 I'd be on it right now for $1k . So is this kit going to differ depending on the buyer's car? Have you tried it on different models? (in terms of fitment). Is this kit in production right now? There is no difference between 06-09 Legacy 2.5i, 06-09 Outback 2.5i, and 2008+ Impreza 2.5i. That's just how much the same all those models are! The only difference between all of those models is the MAF adapter, which will be individualized between the 06-07 vs 08+. The kit fitted to my Outback is 100% based on the prototype created on a 2008 Impreza 2.5i. 2005 Legacy/Outback models do need to use a different exhaust manifold - for that, they will need to source a 2006+ exhaust manifold. We are looking at creating an exhaust manifold for all models that would delete the cat. The kit is indeed in production - we are looking at 90 days to ship from my Seattle location. That's roughly 4-6 weeks of production, then a minimum of 6 weeks via sea freight. No way I can air freight these over! Regards, Paul Hansen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanger Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 hmm you did not mention 05, is it because of the UEL header? ○ ○ ○ Instagram: itshangertime :spin: ○ ○ ○ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share Posted October 19, 2010 Well, I did, but in case you missed it - yes, because of the different exhaust manifold on the 2005 models, 2005 owners will either need to get a 2006+ OEM exhaust manifold, or any aftermarket exhaust manifold designed for 2006+ models. I believe one member here is working on just such an application right now. Regards, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSpeed Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 To reiterate, I've got a stock LGT fuel pump for sale... I realize after looking through all the posts I didn't mention fueling. Basically, we don't think it'll work on the stock fuel pump and injectors, at least not on the Legacy/Outback 2.5i's. We moved up to a stock Legacy GT fuel pump, and 430cc injectors from a JDM 2.0-liter WRX. The stock injectors are roughly 265cc. With the larger injectors and fuel pump, we hit 65% duty cycle at max, and that was at roughly 4.5-4.7psi. Both of those items are easy to source, and I'm sure there is tons of used Legacy GT/08 WRX/STI fuel pumps on the market, given how many fuel pumps I sell. But that's about it for the "necessary" upgrades. Other options, like cat-back exhausts, will be by your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted October 20, 2010 Author Share Posted October 20, 2010 To sweeten the pot, the first 5 pre-orders will also get a free (used) Legacy GT fuel pump! AVO Japan has offered to donate some second hand OEM Legacy GT fuel pumps - and being off of Japanese cars, they are very low mileage (and had high quality gas, unlike here). Regards, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmwtmp100 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Is there anything special that has to happen for the PZEV vehicles for this to go on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stick3pedals Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Is there anything special that has to happen for the PZEV vehicles for this to go on? Here's a quote from cars101: Fed Spec: Certified low emission LEV2 PZEV partical zero emission vehicle, California spec), Super Low Emission Vehicle SULEV required for sale in CA, CT, NJ, NY, MA, ME, RI, VT, PA, OR, and WA but may be sold in any state. Californic PZEV spec cars are available for sale in all 50 states but only offered standard in CA, CT, NH, NY, MA, MS, RI, and VT with the 15year/150,000 mile emission warranty. What is PZEV, a basic, brief, simplified summary The EPA says PZEV is the cleanest running gas car on today's market based on emissions testing for carbon-containing compounds, oxides of nitrogen, particulate matter, and other tailpipe nastiness. It is required in CA, CT, NJ, NY, MA, ME, RI, VT, PA, OR, and WA What is does 1. A charcoal cannister catches unburned gas left in the engine when it's turned off so it doesn't just evaporate. 2. Fuel injectors close tighter when they're not in use. 3. It has a finer mesh in the catalytic converter, as well as optimized placement of its precious metal. 4. The engine's electronic brain is set to run hotter at start up so the catalytic converter heats up so to start working faster.The turbo set up shouldn't have anything special needed to be done for our cars. PZEV models don't have any extra parts, the computer just operates a little differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polatinte Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I never thought the day would come when this would actually be ready! Need more time to save though... Besides, "obsessive" is just a term the lazy use for people that are thorough -fishbone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmwtmp100 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Oh ok. I think I was reading somewhere else in this forum about why PZEV subbies couldn't get a new full exhaust because of the system. I was also concerned about the piggyback computer needing to know about the special conditions the PZEV ECU could have over a regular legacy ECU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnout8488 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Might I mention that the 2005 2.5i is now compatible with ECUFlash and RomRaider, so all you guys will need is an '06 header! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 There is no piggyback ECU needed, PZEV is nothing more than a tune in the ECU. 2005 guys can do what ever The best thing anyone can do is accure parts and upgrades prior to steady availability. I suggest finding a spare oil pan and getting it tapped as well as a new oil pan gasket and thos fueiling needs. Also if you have 75k+ miles on the clutch pack think about swaping to at least a LGT clutch pack as the 2.5i hold rating per Exedy are low esp if you are thinking about 7 PSI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulk Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Would it be beneficial to get the LGT fuel pump and bigger injectors without the turbo, just a tune? I'd think it would, and it would be something we'd have to do anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Would it be beneficial to get the LGT fuel pump and bigger injectors without the turbo, just a tune? I'd think it would, and it would be something we'd have to do anyways. Yes you can run the LGT pump no problem, if you recall Paul ran this Outback with the LGT pump and stock injectors until the install. Your stock tune wont ever max out the flow of the pump. The injectors will need a tune to work effectively. IF you aggregate the parts i would just wait to install when you get the kit if you are one of the lucky folks to buy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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