onesillyracer Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 ive noticed in the last month that my cooling fan has been stuck on. in addition, the windshield defroster no longer works. no air will come out the windshield vent. could these two be related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPerron Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Has anyone had this problem fixed by replacing the relay, only? I've been running with the stuck fan for 30K miles and just now got an URGENT recall notice. I called the dealer and they said they'd try a relay, and if that didn't work, they'd order an ECU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaptan Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Has anyone had this problem fixed by replacing the relay, only? I've been running with the stuck fan for 30K miles and just now got an URGENT recall notice. I called the dealer and they said they'd try a relay, and if that didn't work, they'd order an ECU. You are going to need a new ECU if the fan is already stuck ON. Relay itself will not fix the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 The recall/TSB/notice/whatever states BOTH should be replaced only IF the ECM is damaged. Read here. There is also a "Sticky" at the beginning of this section here. Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abandonhope16 Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 ^^^Plus, doesnt it begin to fry the ECU; which is why they should be replaced at the same time. Either way, both need to be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 It all depends... I had both replaced the first time some time ago since I had the fan running for some time. I went in again when this came out to ask if this was an updated thing with all new parts. They said only the realy had been updated so I got a second new relay just to be safe. Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 I haven't looked at the part-numbers since the "recall" notice came out initially, but from what I remember of reading the detailed recall notice on TheL7, the "recall" relay carries the same part-number as the one that went out on the original TSB. If you got one to replace your relay back-then, you don't need a new one. LegGTLT, would you by any chance have a part-number for the relay that your car was originally replaced with? It would be interesting to see indeed if that was one that was revised, which, of course, didn't happen until later (i.e. your car could have gotten the original, problematic relay with your original fix). ^^^Plus, doesnt it begin to fry the ECU; which is why they should be replaced at the same time. Either way, both need to be replaced. No, not true. You'll only need your ECU replaced if your relay's already tripped the "fan constant on" (i.e. what Kaptan cited - if your fan's stuck-on already") issue. Otherwise, your ECU is fine, and like LegGTLT cited, and it will not be replaced - read the SPB, it says that in black-and-white. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Update - Re-read the original TSB for the relay and matched it to the Recall Notice (SPB). The replacement (i.e. "good") relay's part numbers are identical. -------------- Still doesn't settle your previous situation, though, bruddah LegGTLT ....would you have happened to have saved your service receipt? I did note that the original TSB was put out in late September, 2006. When was your relay and ECU replaced? <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abandonhope16 Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 I know. My statement was referring to what Kaptan said. ^^^Plus, doesnt it begin to fry the ECU; which is why they should be replaced at the same time. Either way, both need to be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Ah, I see - it looks like LegGTLT posted his before you had a chance to respond, which is why I was confused. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 What up TSi! Doesn't seem like I see you as much on here anymore. When I had mine replaced originally, it was all done under warranty. No problems here, I think it was someone else who actually paid, maybe mccorry? I seem to have good luck with my dealer on accepting warranty claims. They get paid, I stay happy and keep coming back to them. Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Gotcha, thanks for the info., bruddah. --- Yep, I'm not on here as much any more as I've been really busy with work.....and I've had to shunt my time to pursuing speed-enforcement countermeasures, since my previous laser jammer gave-up-the-ghost a few months ago (now refurbished). <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahoegt Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Just got a recall notice reguarding this issue. They will replace the fan relay at no cost and check the ECU. Don't forget to unmarry your AP's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croll326 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 its a recall from SOA. take your car to the dealer. they will check the radiator fan relay#2 and replace if necessary. they will also check the ECM. if it is bad they will order one and SOA will pay for a rental for one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon in CT Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Just got a recall notice reguarding this issue. They will replace the fan relay at no cost and check the ECU. Don't forget to unmarry your AP's!Also don't forget to bring all of your ignition keys and the keycode tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malimx6 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Anybody knows if this recall includes owners from Canada? Also, if the fan is currently not stuck (dealer changed the fan relay last year, before the recall) will they replace it anyway? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malimx6 Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Sorry, I just saw the thread regarding this issue in Canada. I'd still like to know if they will replace the relay even though I currently don't have the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdanhires Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Well, I'm on my 3rd ECM now. Subaru replaced the original one last summer, but didn't replace the relay. I started having 'odd' cooling fan issues in January, but the dealer insisted it was normal operation. Like a cooling fan should run at 32 degrees ambient when the car is cold...But it finally failed with the fan running continuously, and the dealer replaced it under the recall. Hope this one lasts longer than a year.... John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe tee Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I have a '98 legacy with 200K miles and this just started happening to me. Haven't been able to do much to fix it yet and definitly not replacing the ecu unless its free. Thick its time for an new car after reading all this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Sorry for the necro bump, figured this was more appropriate in this thread and not the other all of the time running threads. On my 05 LGT the fans don't always run, but they do run more then they should (much more then my 04 FXT). They seem to run when temps are below 40*F, and will continue running until I warm up the car to 170*ish, turn off the car wait 5 seconds and restart (which turns the fans off). If I start the car with AC on, then turn ac off, fans will run until I turn off the car, wait and restart. Using Romraider I check the FAN flags and they show up as not running, similar to what Leonardo mentioned below. Another test I did is pulled the relays one at a time and started the car while it was cold (around 40*F), fans still kicked on. To me it seems like there an electrical short somewhere in the system... Another way to know you have the problem is if you do a Datalog, you'll notice on the bottom half (switches and sensors) the two fans. You'll see the AC one go on and of ( 0 - 1 ) and the other (main) will be on full blast but show off ( 0 ) on the display. So, it's on and the ECU don't show it. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Did you remove both replays and start the car when it was cold ? I think you have bad relays. Of course, I'm guessing. Can you borrow someone's relays who has the engine out currently, so you can try them and see if anything changes...worst case is you screw up there relays too. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Sadly I don't remember if I tried with them both out . Also sadly it's not cold enough for me to be able to reproduce it from cold starting. It does get stuck on if I turn the car on with AC, but as soon as I turn off the car to remove relays it would be off anyway. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Someday may be we'll learn to write stuff down... 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Someday may be we'll learn to write stuff down... Yeah... guess I was in a hurry. I might be Russian but I still don't like being in the cold that long 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlylegacys Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Ok so ive been reading on this, but im still not sure.. should a dealership cover the costs of this issue or is it at my expense?? called dealership and they said "its my responsibility, we only cover recalls, or if its under warranty; not tsb's" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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