SlickSpur Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I've not paid attention to this whole exchange, so forgive me if this is incorrect, but... I recall needing "butt spacers" for the rear suspension, with the Bilstein struts and aftermarket springs. Some of the aftermarket vendors sell them, in a couple different widths. Correct? The Bilsteins might need them, but I have a GT not a Spec B, w/ the stock KYB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landark Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 Can I get opinions on what size spacers to use for my wagon with H Techs? I thought I read some posts a while ago, but can't seem to find any tonight. I just bought the Teins and I'm going to head to Mach V soon to pick spacers up. It seems like a lot of sedans use 3/8 so I figure I'd need 1/2 - or am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_j Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 (edited) i think 3/8" should be fine. i used 3/8" on the sedan and the rear seems high compared to the front. slick-if you look in the msi group buy thread they have posted pictures of msi springs (essentialy eibach's) after a few weeks of driving. they settled and have a 2 finger gap all the way around. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/msi-sps-performance-spring-kit-129387p25.html this drop looks perfect. check page 23 & 25. Edited August 15, 2010 by king_j Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneskiian Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Okay, it's been 5 days now since I installed my Eibach's. The rears sit nice, about a two finger gap, but the fronts are still about the same as stock. Its a 3 finger gap. Should it be taking this long to settle, or is there perhaps an install problem? Something's wrong. It should be lower. Take them off and try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickSpur Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 (edited) slick-if you look in the msi group buy thread they have posted pictures of msi springs (essentialy eibach's) after a few weeks of driving. they settled and have a 2 finger gap all the way around. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/msi-sps-performance-spring-kit-129387p25.html this drop looks perfect. check page 23 & 25. Okay, maybe I just need to give it a little more time. I took one one the front struts out and resat it. I'll give it until next Monday and see how they sit. Something's wrong. It should be lower. Take them off and try again. What could I have done wrong though? The springs are seated up against the lower notch, so I'm not sure where I would have messed up. Maybe sitting up against the top hat, but it doesn't seem like theres a proper way for that to sit anyway (besides drain holes being on the outside). Granted it's my first spring install I've ever done, and did it by myself. Edit: So I just posted some pictures, but did it in my own thread so I wouldn't clog this one up. Appreciate any help guys! http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/springs-sitting-oki-pictures-143323.html Edited August 17, 2010 by SlickSpur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRRICH Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 Let's try this. The stock ride height per the manual is 15" from the wheel arch to the center of the hub for the fronts. The rear is 14.4" for the sedan and 14.8 for the wagon. These dimensions are +.47 and -.94 (quite a spread, huh?). What are you measuring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickSpur Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 (edited) Let's try this. The stock ride height per the manual is 15" from the wheel arch to the center of the hub for the fronts. The rear is 14.4" for the sedan and 14.8 for the wagon. These dimensions are +.47 and -.94 (quite a spread, huh?). What are you measuring? Looks like about 13.75" front and back, give or take. I guess it did drop it a bit, thanks CBRRICH. So, if 14.4" in the rear, dropped about .75". (Or, if the low end of the tolerance range, it didn't drop it any...). It's weird, though the measuring tape result is almost the same front and back, yet I have a two finger gap in the back, and a three finger gap in the front. Here's where my Eibach's sit after a week and a half of settling, dimensioned from the center of the wheel. Front: http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/9743/minimeasuringwheels002.jpg http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/3733/minimeasuringwheels004.jpg Rear: http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9464/minimeasuringwheels005.jpg http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7392/minimeasuringwheels009.jpg Edited August 19, 2010 by SlickSpur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRRICH Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Stick with nominal, that would be a new/new comparison. Just a nit on measuring:It's a little esier if you put the end of the tape against the wheel well. The Eibachs are suposed to drop 1" front and 7/8" rear. Looks like you measured a drop of 1.25 front and 3/4 to 1" rear (sedan/wagon). Remember, these are new springs. Sounds like you are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickSpur Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Thanks for helping out CBRRich, helped clear things up for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08LGT80 Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 does the eibach springs have a softer spring rate than stock? http://subiwiki.com/wiki/index.php/B..._Modifications i'm looking @ the eibach but want a stiffer spring rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneskiian Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 does the eibach springs have a softer spring rate than stock? Nope, stiffer than stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRRICH Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 Dang, I can't find it but somewhere out in this great site someone posted a nice table with all the springs, thier lowering height relative to stock, and thier spring rates, including if they were progressive. I'd swear I saved it somewhere but for the life of me I can't find it. Can anyone else help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRRICH Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 I have Eibach springs, a Rallitek rear swaybar, and Bilstiens. From what I remember, the Eibach spring fronts were slightly stiffer and the rears were the same as stock but keep in mind these are progressive springs so as you loaded them up they got stiffer without sacrificing anything in ride. I'm pretty happy with the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimblaz Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 eibach pro kit here. LOVE it. the car feels like its on rails now. Barely any lean in the corners and not to harsh for a DD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRegvall Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 Dang, I can't find it but somewhere out in this great site someone posted a nice table with all the springs, thier lowering height relative to stock, and thier spring rates, including if they were progressive. I'd swear I saved it somewhere but for the life of me I can't find it. Can anyone else help? This includes it but it is wrong for the Rallitek rear drop. Should be .9". http://www.subiwiki.com/wiki/index.php/BL_%282005-2009%29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mschmidt Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 thanks for the chart... I have MR Coilovers and they are a bit harsh so I want to put some springs on my stock struts. I love the handling of the MR's but will to sacrifice a bit to get a good year or two out of my stock struts. Accourding to this chart I'm thinking Eibach (MSI/Epic), HTech, Ion, Progress, H&R, or Rallitek should suit my needs. Any recomendations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRegvall Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 eibach pro kit here. LOVE it. the car feels like its on rails now. Barely any lean in the corners and not to harsh for a DD What struts are you on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimblaz Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Just the stock lgt struts here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mschmidt Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Eibach pro kit is the same as the Epic kit from Fred Beans... correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslo Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Just the stock lgt struts here Same here, Eibachs with stock struts. I also replaced the front bumpstops with trimmed ground controls. Virtually no sacrifice in comfort but noticable reduction in lean and dive/squat. I love it. Hanslo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mschmidt Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 More info on your bump stop swap please? Pictures? Easy to do? Where did you buy bump stops? etc. Does this make a noticable difference over just the springs? I assume this is just to prevent hitting the bump stops, or are they stiffer? Mike Same here, Eibachs with stock struts. I also replaced the front bumpstops with trimmed ground controls. Virtually no sacrifice in comfort but noticable reduction in lean and dive/squat. I love it. Hanslo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslo Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 (edited) More info on your bump stop swap please? Pictures? Easy to do? Where did you buy bump stops? etc. Does this make a noticable difference over just the springs? I assume this is just to prevent hitting the bump stops, or are they stiffer? Mike This thread: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/tein-h-techs-really-good-substitute-eibachsi-121163.html talks about the eibachs and equivalent. I posted in there a lot. See posts 72 to 86 for some observations and pics of the bumpstops. In this thread: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/blistein-hd-bump-stop-mod-99244p3.html I describe my experiences with cutting and replacing the bumpstops. Read from post 68 to the end. I'll have to find you the info about where I bought the bumpstops. You can probably google Ground Control soft progressive to find them. I originally got info on these from this forum but I can't find it now. I'll also see if I can find my email from Ground Control with advice on where to cut their bumpstops. Edited September 30, 2010 by Hanslo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_j Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 eibach pro kit here. LOVE it. the car feels like its on rails now. Barely any lean in the corners and not to harsh for a DD feels like its on rails with stock struts??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyT Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Eibach pro kit is the same as the Epic kit from Fred Beans... correct? That is correct. I talked to Jeremy the other day and he confirmed it. It is a limited run, so if you want them call Jeremy ASAP. I don't know how many he has left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimblaz Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Ya. The car barely leans at all. It's sooo much faster in the corners. And for just springs you can't complain at all. I recommend these springs for sure. I think it's the beginning of this thread where bosco swears by this setup. He has had coilovers. Pinks on bilsteins. Etc. He likes eibach on stocks for the perfect dd. I completely agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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