CTlegacy06 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Declining US dollar = built in US = bland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 ummmmm Every report has been saying it will be built alongside Impreza in JAPAN, not in the US. Should I repeat it a couple more times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Yes. As long as you do it in 10 sentances or less. Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Every report has been saying it will be built alongside Impreza in JAPAN, not in the US. Every report has been saying it will be built alongside Impreza in JAPAN, not in the US. Every report has been saying it will be built alongside Impreza in JAPAN, not in the US. Every report has been saying it will be built alongside Impreza in JAPAN, not in the US. Every report has been saying it will be built alongside Impreza in JAPAN, not in the US. Every report has been saying it will be built alongside Impreza in JAPAN, not in the US. Every report has been saying it will be built alongside Impreza in JAPAN, not in the US. Every report has been saying it will be built alongside Impreza in JAPAN, not in the US. Every report has been saying it will be built alongside Impreza in JAPAN, not in the US. Every report has been saying it will be built alongside Impreza in JAPAN, not in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Yer pushin it IWSS!!! Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 you said ten or less. That was ten. "up there, we have to push it. That is our JOB." - Mike Metcalf, codename Viper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Looks like the Subaru version of the car will be RWD only too, at least at first. http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/21/subaru-worried-that-rwd-coupe-could-dilute-brand/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I wouldn't buy the RWD version. But then I wouldnt want the RWD version of the Toyota one either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I think Subaru will be doing a disservice to themselves, and we, their enthusiasts, if they go RWD on this car. But Toyota SHOULD be RWD. There will be buyers for both. I think Subaru enthusiasts will be dissappointed without AWD, though, and Subaru will be an also-ran. I have to agree with Subaru management calling a flag on the play, if Subaru high-ups are suggesting diluting the brand with RWD right along side Toyota's variant. It will be a Subaru chassis. It should be fully capable of being AWD. I have been duke-ing it out on that thread on Autoblog. Check it out, it might be a good read. You'll recognize my comments, and my avatar. Especially where one guy on page 4 calls subaru buyers commies. Sometimes tearing into comments like that is just fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I don't really like the idea of EJ20 with AWD for Subaru and RWD for Toyota either. The Subaru version will ended up been slower and heavier than the Toyota. It would be better if the 200-300 lbs heavier Subaru version comes with 190 hp EJ25 and AWD, while the Toyota is 175 hp EJ20 with RWD. This way the performance should be similar but there are more to differentiate between the 2 cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 The thing is, that the entire US lineup has been moved over to the 2.5 I can see Subaru having a more powerful tune, though. Toyota will probably go for fuel efficiency on the base model, anyway. a 170hp tune for the Ej25 and a 180-200hp variant for Subaru, through dual AVCS, or something... Direct injection would be fantastic, turbo and non-turbo. And then a 250hp turbocharged Subaru variant, and a ~300+ hp STI low-production halo model... it is unclear whether Toyota will actually do a GT-Four model, with a turbo and AWD... but as a halo model for them, I doubt it, or an STI model would sell in enough volume to really make a difference if they are sold at the same time. Toyota fans will buy the RWD or GT-Four, and Subie dudes will buy the WRX-grade and STI models. It probably won't be a huge volume deal against Mustang, 350Z, Genesis, or Solstice targa, etc... They all just kinda hover around as enthusiast models. The base models are where the margins are made, like any other car, including the Legacy, Impreza, Corolla, and Camry. A High-economy tune on a RWD Toyota coupe could be a move by toyota to go from the tC, toward a more efficient alternative to the Genesis coupe. A higher performance, AWD Subaru would be to give Subaru enthusiasts something to buy besides an ugly 5-door, or a US-only boring 4-door impreza. (I still think the 4-door should go away, and divert resources and market segment to the coupe, and let Legacy 2.5i and GT handle the 4-door duties for Subaru.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 The thing is, that the entire US lineup has been moved over to the 2.5 I think the EJ20 is going to be needed to meet or get close to Toyota RWD's 2200 lbs goal. There is no reason why Subaru couldn't go with the EJ25 with AWD for their version though. Parts and warranty work for the Toyota RWD would have to be done by a Toyota dealer anyway, so they are the ones that have to stock the parts for it. EJ25 for the Subaru AWD means that the Subaru dealers wouldn't have to deal with EJ20 parts. I think that scenario would work out better for SOA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I don't see how this car could possibly only weight 2200 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTlegacy06 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I don't see how this car could possibly only weight 2200 lbs. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Weren't you just saying that the Corolla was less than 3000lbs? Why would a stripped down 2 or 3 door car not weigh a bit less? I am skeptical about 2200lbs myself. Auto makers never hit their weight goals. But 24-2800lbs is pretty respectable in the current market. and that will be the stripped out model. After seeing the interior of the MR2 Spyder, I can see how Toyota can build light cars. That isn't a full complement, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Weren't you just saying that the Corolla was less than 3000lbs? Why would a stripped down 2 or 3 door car not weigh a bit less? Sure. I just don't think thats gonna shave off 600 pounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 I don't think they can hit 2200 lbs either. They will do well if they can hit 2500 lbs. The 7th gen Celica was 2500 lbs and this car should be about the same size as the Celica. RWD and new safety equipments are going to add some weight but I think 2500 lbs should be reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC GT Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 I say it will be over 3000 pounds. It's costs a lot to shave off pounds, and this car has to appeal to the masses. When all is said and done, I'm guessing 3200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 3200? That's just 100 less than 05 non-limited sedan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 There is no way it weights 3200 lbs, if it does it's pointless. The Impreza 2.0i in UK only weight in at ~3000 lbs and that's with AWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Should we start a pool? I've got ~2400lbs for a stripped out RWD Toyota model, closer to 3000lbs for a turbo AWD, leather interior, full featured Subaru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC GT Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 OK. I take back my 3200 remark. My guess is 2900 NA, 3100 turbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Put me down for 2601 lbs for Toyota RWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTlegacy06 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 I don't understand why Toyota is even bothering to do this? Don't they still offer the MR2? (Small mid engine coupe rwd) Don't they still have designers and engineers that developed the old celica/supra/mr2s or were they they fired in favor of more practicality and fuel economy? They also have a partnership with Lotus (using Toyota engines) in the Elise last I heard, wouldn't they be better at designing this car for Toyota? I think this joint venture is not really about the car but more about securing a hold on Subaru in preparation for a hostile takeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 I don't understand why Toyota is even bothering to do this? Don't they still offer the MR2? (Small mid engine coupe rwd) Nope, the MR2 has been dead for 3-4 years, the last MR2 was MY05. Don't they still have designers and engineers that developed the old celica/supra/mr2s or were they they fired in favor of more practicality and fuel economy? They also have a partnership with Lotus (using Toyota engines) in the Elise last I heard, wouldn't they be better at designing this car for Toyota? Toyota doesn't currently have a cheap/lightweight RWD capable platform, all their RWD platform are for Lexus or trucks. The easiest/fastest/cheapest way to get one is to buy one from another maker, ie Subaru or as you implied from Lotus. The problem with Lotus is that the Elise chassis is aluminum and would be too expensive. I think this joint venture is not really about the car but more about securing a hold on Subaru in preparation for a hostile takeover. IMHO, it is about the car and maybe laying the ground work for takeover as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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