IwannaSportSedan Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Similar to what some others of us here want in a coupe collaboration. Not sure about the two separate manual transmissions. with six ratios, it should be able to do both, by having smaller gear intervals lower gears optimized for performance, 5th gear straight, or .9:1, and 6th being a healthy over-drive for mileage, like say .7, or .65:1, rather than just a gratuitous extra shift. Going too far, like .5x:1 would probably be too much mechanical disadvantage for a small engine off boost. But here is how a lot of us seem to want to see it broken down. All EJ25x series engines. non turbo RWD - Toyota base model non turbo AWD - Subaru base model non turbo RWD premium - Toyota premium (like old Celica GT-S, maybe turbo, but Toyota seems to like their corporate mileage average too much) turbocharged AWD premium - Subaru premium (WRX/LGT equivalent coupe) Turbocharged AWD Toyota halo: GT-Four Turbocharged AWD Subaru halo: STI The subaru and toyota cars based on the same platform, but looking different than each other. the non halo cars would probably be automatic or manual, the halo cars probably 6-speed only. Maybe there would be a turbocharged RWD model thrown in there somewhere under the toyota nameplate. All of the Subarus would be AWD, but only some turbocharged. At least that is what we hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franklin Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 ^^ Hope they come out something close to that. Everyone could get something they wanted. I also hope Toyota could supply a 6 speed automatic to the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 More info from Inside Line. Subaru version will be RWD and will be sold worldwide. While the Toyota version will be sold in Japan only. NA 2.0L boxer making 220 hp @ 6500 rpm, 6MT from STI, 2866 lbs, 2+2 and priced under $20k. Sounds like a winner to me, but don't know how Subaru is going to fit this RWD into their AWD marketing... http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=126521#2 More fancy rendering, take it for what it's worth. What's with all the wacky headlights lately? It most be the new trend with the Japanese makers. http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2008/0527/subarufr.500.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowImg Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Wouldn't bringing the 2.0L turbo back to the US be kind of a step in the wrong direction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubLo Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 This rendering is hawt! I'd rock it. Direct comparo/competition with the Hyundai coupe however - guess that's good long-term. I won't buy it with a 2.0t though. 2.5t and I'm in. ________________________________________________ [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=1980"]'05 BSM OBXT Row-your-own, W.I.P. :rolleyes:[/URL] [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=1242"]'06 Shrek B # 64 - The car the wife loved to hate :( Sold...[/URL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 This rendering is hawt! I'd rock it. Direct comparo/competition with the Hyundai coupe however - guess that's good long-term. I won't buy it with a 2.0t though. 2.5t and I'm in. It's 2.0 NA, not a turbo. That's why I was surprised that they got 220 hp out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Wouldn't bringing the 2.0L turbo back to the US be kind of a step in the wrong direction? 2.0L turbo or not will be lighter and more fuel efficient. It's in fact going the right direction for CAFE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 2.0L turbo or not will be lighter and more fuel efficient. It's in fact going the right direction for CAFE. I dunno bout that. The fuel economy #s stayed the same when WRX was upgraded to the 2.5L. I'm not sure if I buy all of this. 1. I honestly don't see SOA releasing a RWD vehicle. And if they did I would then expect to see FWD Imprezas and Legacies. 2. Toyota fans are going nuts over this vehicle being the new Celica. I don't see them depriving fans of it, even if the FT-HS is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 I dunno bout that. The fuel economy #s stayed the same when WRX was upgraded to the 2.5L. Good point, but EJ20 is certainly lighter than the EJ25 so that can't hurt the fuel economy. I'm not sure if I buy all of this. 1. I honestly don't see SOA releasing a RWD vehicle. And if they did I would then expect to see FWD Imprezas and Legacies. I suppose SOA could chose not to bring this coupe into the USDM, but I think that's highly unlikely. I don't recall any of the info so far mentioning anything but RWD for the entry level car. AWD is only mentioned as a possibility for the high output turbo version. There have been a lot of info regarding this car lately. If there is AWD Subaru version in the works I would expect a source to mention it somewhere. It's looking more and more like RWD only at first. Subaru might be trying to pave the road for FWD cars because of CAFE. 2. Toyota fans are going nuts over this vehicle being the new Celica. I don't see them depriving fans of it, even if the FT-HS is coming. Yeah, I'm really surprised by this tip bit too. FT-HS is suppose to be a Supra replacement while this car is a Celica class car. I suppose it's possible the Toyota version will be Japan only for the first couple years, as a concession to Subaru for using mostly their parts/technology. After couple years Toyota will then bring it worldwide when they introduce it along with the GT4 version... Some the info is rather specific, especially the weight, which makes me think they have a pretty concrete source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDII Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 I'm sure if it does hit the states the sub 20k version will be stripped. Need forum help? Private Message legGTLT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 More info from Inside Line. Subaru version will be RWD and will be sold worldwide. While the Toyota version will be sold in Japan only. NA 2.0L boxer making 220 hp @ 6500 rpm, 6MT from STI, 2866 lbs, 2+2 and priced under $20k. Sounds like a winner to me, but don't know how Subaru is going to fit this RWD into their AWD marketing... RWD Should be Toyota. AWD should not be that hard, c'mon, people!!! NA 2.0L engine making 110hp per liter? where is this coming from, especially with a meager 6500 RPM redline. Seems hardly fast enough to generate that sort of power. If the car is not AWD, it does not have the 6MT from the STI, it would have a 6-speed from some other vehicle, or an Infiniti/Nissan RWD transmission, if they continue to use the same Jatco supplier. Previous rumors have said that it would use an aisin 6-speed, similar to the new Miata unit. 6-speed, 110hp/liter, 4 seats, under 3000lbs, and under $20k? Sounds fantastic, but maybe "too good to be true". http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=126521#2More fancy rendering, take it for what it's worth. What's with all the wacky headlights lately? It most be the new trend with the Japanese makers. http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2008/0527/subarufr.500.jpg Ahh, the catch. First of all, I don't think this rendering is indicative. If it is... FAIL. The front end is ugly. It is an 08 STI grille, with LF-A like headlights. Ugly as sin. The front air dam is puckered in the center, and ugly. The side mirrors look dowdy, and the rear quarter window looks blunt from this angle, rather than sweeping from previous, somewhat credible renderings. WHY, WHY, WHYYYYYYYYY? They finally pull their head out, and make what a lot of us are interested in getting, but then the BOTCH it! RWD Subaru - FAIL. (RWD Toyota is fine, Subaru should be a traction-monster.) Ugly, par for the course, and still FAIL. Why the hell is it so tall an order to have an affordable coupe that looks like a car should look, rather than some weird, angry cartoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubLo Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Your opinion. I disagree on all your subjective points. I think it's hot as is. ________________________________________________ [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=1980"]'05 BSM OBXT Row-your-own, W.I.P. :rolleyes:[/URL] [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=1242"]'06 Shrek B # 64 - The car the wife loved to hate :( Sold...[/URL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 I think its pretty tight looking, though I doubt we will get to see it in orange, which looks just awesome. I dunno, bout them gold wheels. Subaru seems to like gold wheels and I think they're about the only car company them makes them work. However, I prefer to keep them to blue, red, and black cars. I would buy this car, but not in RWD. I'd take it even with a N/A 2.5L, especially if its going to weigh less than 3000 lbs. The current 3080 lb. Impreza 2.5i can hit 60 MPH in 7.6 seconds. It'd be content with a coupe that could do it in low 7s and save me some gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Your opinion. I disagree on all your subjective points. I think it's hot as is. It is my opinion... But I still don't like the useless "fangs", I don't like the impreza STI grille, here or on the STI, and I don't like the sagging bumper line, with an arched front air dam line. The rendering looks like a character from the game "snood". http://www.womgames.com/images/snoodworld/snoods.gifhttp://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2008/0527/subarufr.500.jpg Would a grille-less design kill them? no grille between some better looking headlights, with three better looking, larger lower intakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportwagon Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 wow... already ten pages of this topic... I was going to post some info that I found on a toyota forum (while looking for the bolt pattern of my girl's corolla) but it is already old news here! http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=244109 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viber Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 I think its pretty tight looking, though I doubt we will get to see it in orange. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_hao Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 I don't understand why people keep thinking it has a 6,500 redline.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 because reporters report it, even if it might indeed be incorrect. we only know what little we can read, and all of it is rumor at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowImg Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 None of it seems correct to me at this point. Why would Toyota go to Subaru to do a 2.0L N/A RWD drivetrain? That would seem the other way around. 2.0L Turbo AWD 6speed? Yup, that sounds like something you'd go to Subaru to design. 8000rpm redline? Yup, perfect for those STI EJ20s. I could see them going away from the AWD for performance, but going that far away? Seems a very odd stretch. Maybe the driveline is actually Toyota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKLGT Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 I'm almost certain one will be in my garage at some point. looks like a perfect track car. Wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle yeah!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Why would Toyota go to Subaru to do a 2.0L N/A RWD drivetrain? Because Toyota doesn't have a light weight 2.0L that could make good power and they certainly don't have a suitable RWD platform. All their RWD capable platform is either a truck or Lexus. Subaru has all the parts to get this on the market quickly and cheap. I'm not sure about the 220 hp number for the NA EJ20 though. The current NA EJ20 makes ~150 hp, for mass production I really don't think you can add 70 hp without going to FI. To put 220 hp into perspective the EJ25 turbo in the WRX only makes 224 hp in stock form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 I think its pretty tight looking, though I doubt we will get to see it in orange, which looks just awesome. Not as far fetch as you might think... Impreza BEAMS edition. http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/beams_f.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowImg Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 I'm not following how you think Subaru has the parts to do this quickly or cheap. They've never had to push the entire force of that driveline to the rear full time, nor do they have a chassis or suspension that's necessarily suitable for it. On top of it, Subaru does not have a cheap 2.0L that can easily make that kind of power. I don't think any of us need any perspective on what 220hp from an EJ series is... It really makes no sense to design this using a Subaru drivetrain instead of a Lexus drivetrain, unless they're planning on using something like the EG33 and going the SVX route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenc544 Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 I'm not following how you think Subaru has the parts to do this quickly or cheap. They've never had to push the entire force of that driveline to the rear full time, It's mentioned in another post that Toyota will be doing the rear diff for the drivetrain, it will not be a Subaru unit. nor do they have a chassis or suspension that's necessarily suitable for it. Huh? It's a modified Impreza/Legacy platform as stated in the article, I'm sure it makes use of the suspension bits from the Impreza/Legacy line. What makes you think that platform is not suitable? On top of it, Subaru does not have a cheap 2.0L that can easily make that kind of power. The EJ20 has been around for a while and it's relatively inexpensive. It's used as the based engine for Subaru all over the world before the 1.5 came along. As I stated, I doubt the NA version of EJ20 can make 220 hp so realistically it's probably a NA making ~170 hp. It really makes no sense to design this using a Subaru drivetrain instead of a Lexus drivetrain, unless they're planning on using something like the EG33 and going the SVX route. Lexus does not have a 4 banger to go with their RWD platform. Besides, which part of Lexus do you think goes with the $20k price point they are going after... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Not as far fetch as you might think... Impreza BEAMS edition. http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2008/0527/subarufr.500.jpghttp://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/beams_f.jpg Close, but not exactly the same, in the hood and door creases... I still think the coupe rendering is a figment, and constructed from various other pieces, not an indicator of what the real design will look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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