Christian. Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Currently no discount will be given to get the different product, the AP 2.0. The AP 1.0 has some short comings (cable, baud rate, etc.) that cannot be easily upgraded. We thought about purchasing them back and turning them into OBDII scan tools but then again we would still upset people with the products above mentioned quality short-comings. We really just want to make a better unit and move on with the AP 2.0. We have added a FAQ section about the AP 1.0 & 2.0 if you would like to check that out. Take care, Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted October 17, 2006 Author Share Posted October 17, 2006 Will it be easy to migrate from 1.0 to 2.0??? In other words, just convert your maps and go? Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgt Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Will we be able to use the new software with the old AP? The way I see it, the AP is solely to flash the ecu and nothing else. The rest I want to do with the laptop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0032 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Will it be easy to migrate from 1.0 to 2.0??? In other words, just convert your maps and go? The question is: Is it worth it? Q: Is Cobb Tuning going out of business? A: No, Cobb Tuning is not going out of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005garnetGT Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 people on nabisco were convinced that cobb was shuttering its windows because the AP1.0 was discontinued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rony Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 people on nabisco were convinced that cobb was shuttering its windows because the AP1.0 was discontinued I like wild speculation.... My Car vBGarage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugblatterbeast Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Can AVCS but tuned without a dyno? I was thinking of using the following procedure to dial in a new set of headers (don't have them yet and I'd like to use as little dyno time as possible): 1) adjust the boost targets to hold a constant (low) relative pressure 2) advance the intake cam timing slightly across the rev range 3) observe the MAF g/s log for increases and decreases in the flow 4) keep the more advanced settings where the flow was increased and revert to the old values where there was no change or a decrease in flow 5) pay attention to the logs to see if there are any spots where WGDC suddenly drops off to maintain boost (I'm hoping this is a good indicator that reversion is just starting to happen) and avoid advancing those areas. I'm assuming, correct me if I'm wrong, that most good aftermarket headers will improve scavenging a bit and allow the cam timing to remain advance to a slightly higher RPM before the EGBP becomes high enough to cause reversion. I'm also assuming that slightly more cam advance will likely be needed at lower engine speeds to get the turbo to spool up quickly with the headers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasopoliS Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 On the dyno right now..... Street Tuner dyno tuning. We keep hitting P0244 code and it cuts fuel. WG duty set to 0, we get about 14 psi on my actuator. It builds boost fine but about 4500 RPM it cuts fuel and throws P0244 what can we do to get rid of this? wg duty is about 70 to start then tapers lower to maybe 40-60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bugblatterbeast Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 On the dyno right now..... Street Tuner dyno tuning. We keep hitting P0244 code and it cuts fuel. WG duty set to 0, we get about 14 psi on my actuator. It builds boost fine but about 4500 RPM it cuts fuel and throws P0244 what can we do to get rid of this? wg duty is about 70 to start then tapers lower to maybe 40-60 sounds like your WGDC is not in line with the boost your are running and the boost targets. If the car is targeting less than 14 and you can't get the boost down it will probably assume that there's something wrong with the WG and cut fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasopoliS Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 sounds like your WGDC is not in line with the boost your are running and the boost targets. If the car is targeting less than 14 and you can't get the boost down it will probably assume that there's something wrong with the WG and cut fuel. I lengthened the rod and it ran fine at 16 psi. he tuned fuel... then upped the boost by a little bit and it cut again. I just lengthened the rod more. I will ask him about the targets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasopoliS Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 edit - not at tuner anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasopoliS Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 tuner says it hitting lower WGDC than what he is asking for (I believe that is what he said).... he does not understand why the WG cut is ocurring. I guess he does not have this issue with the UTec.... and this is his first time tuning COBB. Any first-steps that we might have missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgt Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 IIRC, the ecu will hit lower wgdc if it is having trouble controlling the boost. What turbo are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasopoliS Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 IIRC, the ecu will hit lower wgdc if it is having trouble controlling the boost. What turbo are you using? vf40 18G we are done for the day. I will email logs and maps later if people are interested. I know the tuner did not touch turbo dynamics. we loaded teh stage 2 base map and default settings, so that is what it is using as of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasopoliS Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 Here are my maps that he left me with. timing was not touched because he could not get me any boost. as soon as he would raise WGDC I would either hit boost cut or fuel cut. P0244 right-click save-as www.casopolis.com/tuning/pure2.stb www.casopolis.com/tuning/pure7.str Log of this map. www.casopolis.com/tuning/TUNER_070324154039.csv Edmundu is going to send me a new map based on the ones above. He said the problem is low WGDC table is higher than the high WGDC table (some of the values at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0032 Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 You need to change the fuel cut table. In this table you set what PSI you hit boost cut at. Its a nice little safety feature. The Higher and Lower WGDC tables need to be within 10 points of each other at the same RPM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005garnetGT Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 is it the mysterious 30.2% WGDC thing that some people have experienced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasopoliS Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 You need to change the fuel cut table. In this table you set what PSI you hit boost cut at. Its a nice little safety feature. The Higher and Lower WGDC tables need to be within 10 points of each other at the same RPM. thanks I will look into that. Edmund has my map and has the same ST as me... so he is going to make some changes and send it my way. Once I get bast this goofy boost issue, I will go back to the dyno and my tuner can finish the tune... timing, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmundu Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 is it the mysterious 30.2% WGDC thing that some people have experienced? Nope, don't have this problem with ST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasopoliS Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Nope, don't have this problem with ST. Edmundu, I could not thank you enough for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0032 Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 +1 on Edmund being a great help! Can I see the new Edmund map? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmundu Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 +1 on Edmund being a great help! Can I see the new Edmund map? No:p JK ask jon for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian. Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 This is very simple, you have your Boost Limits values set too low. You will need to set your boost limits values at a safer level above what you are targeting for your tune. Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyd2005 Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 casopolis, can you post a datalog in the datalog results thread? I would love to see what this turbo can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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