Legacy to be discontinued after 2025 model year

[Wesnah]

Maybe there are just discontinuing temporarily. Maybe they will create an all New model. I really don't want to forced into a CUV or SUV. 

[boxkita]

Pretty sure legacy sedan is going away. suv is a strong category for subaru. the sti is gone too. just wrx remains.

[Gire]

Throwing a post in this thread as it truly is the end of an era.  My 2005 GT wagon was a fantastic vehicle, very reliable in hindsight, and checked all the boxes I wanted.  Under $40K Canadian, Manual transmission, AWD, and wagon.  OH!  and under 3500lbs curb weight.  I had that beauty for ten years.

After they killed the wagon, it was mostly over for me in terms of Subaru and this forum, the car just became more and more bland over the years and lost it's 90's / 2000's identity. 

I miss these old-school forums too, like we used to have in abundance.  Facebook groups are... not the same.

Cheers, all.  

Gire 

[boxkita]

Amen, @Gire

[silverton]

I enjoy being in the minority. I like the CVT over the 5EAT 3.6. but maybe mine is just better than everyone elses

[Opie]

When Subaru killed the STi, they had already spent $$$ on developing it's new engine. With the help of some engineers from AMG (Yes, the Benz tuners) my sources claimed they had the STi FA24 putting out over 400HP.

The huge push for electrification, combined with strong CUV & SUV sales compared to the performance lineup, and limited capital for new technology development and increasing emissions regulations, Subaru choose to can development of the new STi in favor of spending that development money towards EV's. Now, Subaru and several other Japanese manufactures are realizing that the EV market is not yet as fruitful as expected (Solterra sales have been absolutely horrid). 

IMHO Subaru should've completed that engine, put it in STi versions of the WRX, Forester and the Legacy, all with MT and AT(CVT) options and then advertised it against the likes of the FSport, AMG, etc. That way the engine would not be limited to small production numbers.

Since Subaru has recently announced that their future EV's will be powered by an on-board ICE generator, it'll be interesting to see what happens. But I don't think anything that happens will be particularly exciting for car people.

[bigboy292000]

Took a Subaru factory tour this past week and the tour guide was very clear that Legacy is going away in 2025. We don’t have a Legacy anymore (was totaled) but have an Outback now but yeah… was a bit sad to hear that Legacy was going away. 

[Ovcoursitsilver]

My first Subaru was a new 2005 Legacy GT LTD. I loved it and kept it for 12 years. When I needed to change, I ended up in a 2017 Legacy LTD but no turbo was available and I didn't like the 3.6L so I ended up in a much more run of the mill type of Subaru. After 7 great years, it just got totalled from being T-boned by an inattentive young driver in a big SUV. My airbags went off and I was not hurt. Imaging my dismay when I found out there were no 2024 Legacy's available here in Canada and none at all in 2025. I've found a good, low mileage used Legacy LTD to carry me over. I might eventually find myself in an SUV, looking back at those great years.  

[silverton]

What's not to like about the 3.6L??  Obviously the mpg's could be better, I see four cylinder subaru's all day long with the same avg as I have. but then other side of the coin i see them with the same DTE at half a tank that i have at full

[Ovcoursitsilver]

More disapppointed than disliked, I suppose. I guess coming off the amazing 2.5 L turbo In the GT, I found the difference between the 3.6 and the 2.5 NA wasn’t enough to justify the big difference in price.

[NORULZleggy]

I am in a GTR with my buddy all the time. Also, we went to many events and what was called Race wars. I have no clue how you can compare a GTR of any year to a Q or G. The way the GTR shifts so fast and take off is crazy. An ebay bolt on R35 with protune will stomp a mud hole in either car. I did not even say E85 I am talking 93 with supporting. I want a R35 bad, the amount of big power cars and V8's we took down was crazy. Talk with so GTR shops and builder and you will understand. A nice 2013-14 track edition is gravy.

When it comes to those cars I do not care about comfort or heated this and that. That is what a daily is for. You do not daily a GTR, now a Q or G you can.

[phuzaxeman]

1 hour ago, NORULZleggy said:

I am in a GTR with my buddy all the time. Also, we went to many events and what was called Race wars. I have no clue how you can compare a GTR of any year to a Q or G. The way the GTR shifts so fast and take off is crazy. An ebay bolt on R35 with protune will stomp a mud hole in either car. I did not even say E85 I am talking 93 with supporting. I want a R35 bad, the amount of big power cars and V8's we took down was crazy. Talk with so GTR shops and builder and you will understand. A nice 2013-14 track edition is gravy.

When it comes to those cars I do not care about comfort or heated this and that. That is what a daily is for. You do not daily a GTR, now a Q or G you can.

Nationally known tuners Racebox have tuned numerous Q's, on stock turbos,  that take stock GTR's. Having a daily Q that can take down a stock GTR, for less than 5k is pretty amazing.  

[mrmako]

I had a 2006 Legacy 3.0 SpecB. Yes, it was with the 5EAT, but it had torque for days. And usable from 1200 on up. Nice flat response. And in Japan (where I lived with the car for some of the time), the SpecB had the Bilstein suspension and sat a bit lower, like the 2008 LGT in the states. IT was truly a great car that I couldn't bring back to the US. And sadly after the 2009 early models they went to an ugly (IMO) sedan that was just bland.

Fast forward and I now own a 2019 Levorg 2.0 STI Black Selection (see my thread with pics over on the other models page). 300 HP from this car, and it's the size of the old LGT wagon, but much nicer. Very sad to see the Legacy going out this way.

This should have been a Legacy wagon in the US:

[AllWheelsDriven]

I'm inheriting my mom's 98 Legacy GT wagon with a 5sp and only 72,000 miles.  Guess I should hang on to it

[phuzaxeman]

34 minutes ago, AllWheelsDriven said:

I'm inheriting my mom's 98 Legacy GT wagon with a 5sp and only 72,000 miles.  Guess I should hang on to it

Do you live in the US? The GT Wagon was not released in the US until 2005. 

[Infosecdad]

25 minutes ago, phuzaxeman said:

Do you live in the US? The GT Wagon was not released in the US until 2005. 

The US had GT wagons from 96-99, they were N/A with better handling suspension.

I wanted one for the handling and snowflake wheels.

[phuzaxeman]

3 minutes ago, Infosecdad said:

The US had GT wagons from 96-99, they were N/A with better handling suspension.

I wanted one for the handling and snowflake wheels.

Did the 96-99 GT Wagons have the 2.5 Turbo engines? If not, what was the engine in those cars?

[Infosecdad]

18 minutes ago, phuzaxeman said:

Did the 96-99 GT Wagons have the 2.5 Turbo engines? If not, what was the engine in those cars?

No, they didn't have turbos, they had the DOHC EJ25 w/ 165hp on a good day.

The 96-99 GT wagon was more about suspension improvements.

[AllWheelsDriven]

Yes, non turbo

It has the snowflakes and kyb struts. Frankly, I value brakes and handling over 0-60  I might look into a jdm bilstein setup  

I’ve previously had two 2004 STi’s. The blue one was stolen and never recovered.

[Black Ghost]

Sure, it's sad new.

I think Legacy gone forever, becouse 7th generetion was suggested only in USA (and manufactured too only in IN), and not Japan and Australia (6thG was unsuccess in selling). But I'm  thinking, in 7thG design was a little come back from early models (aggressive lines, etc).

Subaru's strong side for mass market  - AWD and SUV (Outback, Forester etc), less - WRX.

Also, as we can see: sedans as body's type - slowly gone to a grave. 

7th G in Japan was replace for Levorg (LEgacy, reVOlution, touRinG - as a reference to Legacy).

Also we must accept  new ecology standards, and forget big atmospheric engines (but it's so stupid, for exapmple Tundra V6 L3.4 ... big pickup with small engine, in my opinion fot this cars engine was at least 5L and more, but who I'm?

Aslo sometimes I read any people, who was change their 4thG on Levorg - all fine and they're happy (but it's who can use RHD).

For me, Legacy started to become ordinary when they refuse frameless door and 5thG was look like typical family sedan (for BR it's was normal, but BM(() (and I associate it with hippo (i'm apoligise for all owners this 5thG for comparing).

What will be with Subie? Who knows.

BRZ/GT86 - i think BRZ will be killed in favor Toyota (a didn't see promo for model) (and both models not avialable in Europe)

WRX?

Will see.

I'm don't wanna change my 4thG, but understand, that's is old car. Hope will save car as long, as can. I love it, because he forgave me mistakes, when i'm only begined drive him, and this my first car. 

 

Have a good day, everybody, and drive with pleasure.

all - IMHO

 

[MoleMan]

18 hours ago, Black Ghost said:

Sure, it's sad new.

I think Legacy gone forever, becouse 7th generetion was suggested only in USA (and manufactured too only in IN), and not Japan and Australia (6thG was unsuccess in selling). But I'm  thinking, in 7thG design was a little come back from early models (aggressive lines, etc).

Subaru's strong side for mass market  - AWD and SUV (Outback, Forester etc), less - WRX.

Also, as we can see: sedans as body's type - slowly gone to a grave. 

7th G in Japan was replace for Levorg (LEgacy, reVOlution, touRinG - as a reference to Legacy).

Also we must accept  new ecology standards, and forget big atmospheric engines (but it's so stupid, for exapmple Tundra V6 L3.4 ... big pickup with small engine, in my opinion fot this cars engine was at least 5L and more, but who I'm?

Aslo sometimes I read any people, who was change their 4thG on Levorg - all fine and they're happy (but it's who can use RHD).

For me, Legacy started to become ordinary when they refuse frameless door and 5thG was look like typical family sedan (for BR it's was normal, but BM(() (and I associate it with hippo (i'm apoligise for all owners this 5thG for comparing).

What will be with Subie? Who knows.

BRZ/GT86 - i think BRZ will be killed in favor Toyota (a didn't see promo for model) (and both models not avialable in Europe)

WRX?

Will see.

I'm don't wanna change my 4thG, but understand, that's is old car. Hope will save car as long, as can. I love it, because he forgave me mistakes, when i'm only begined drive him, and this my first car. 

 

Have a good day, everybody, and drive with pleasure.

all - IMHO

 

Funny you me tion the Tundra.  It's not just the Tundra but the Tacoma as well.

 

Toyota really screwed up on those.  All Tundras with the Turbo six have been recalled due to the turbos failing.  They have to remove the cab to replace.  So in alot of cases the trucks are lemon lawed.  They only Tundra with the 5.7 new is the most expensive one(I think it's an 1894 edition) and you cannot even find them even if you were willing to pay ten grand over asking.

 

The Tacoma has not been recalled. However they should have kept the Four liter in that truck.  I have two friends that have that truck both approaching over 300k with no issues.  

Subaru won't get rid of the WRX.  However they need to listen to customers input on that car.  Die hard WRX fans do not want the 7th gen. They have no STI version which is what people want.  A TR edition is not an STI.

As far as the Leggy it's dead.  I see 50 Outbacks to one Leggy in my area and then if it's not an Outback it's a Crosstrek.  If anything Subaru should make a Turbo Crosstrek that would be a hot seller.  

Every manufacturer is going to smaller turbo engines.  I just think as soon as the turbos start going alot of owners will piss and moan and say the car is a piece of shit and not go back to that manufacturer again.

As far as the 4Th gens.  I have two. A 2006 SE with a manual and a 2008 3.0R.  I will agree Subaru got alot of things right with this model.  Including the seats.  That's one gripe I have with my 6th Gen.  My leg hurts where the booster is because Subaru does not have the material flush to the seat like Honda or Toyota.  When I adust the seat so it does not hurt my back starts to hurt.  So I would rather just rest my foot in another way.  But again no issues like this in my 4th gens or my wife's Lexus or my Honda.

I get we have to evolve. But at least evolve the tried and tested engines everyone loves due to reliability.

 

[Opie]

What is sad is that Subaru thinks it is adjusting for the market. Yet refused to continue a Forester XT model, even when SUV's are dominating the market and Performance SUV's are bringing in a pretty penny....even Lamborghini makes one....

The Legacy nameplate will likely return at some point, probably as an EV hatch....

[silverton]

The answer to every thing here is: Subaru is a niche automotive company. They can not keep taking on the risks of low volume vehicles.  Other vehicle manufacturers sell more of one model, than subaru sells cars in total.

Just one quick statistic that I didn't do any diligence of verifying... google says subaru sold 171,613 foresters in 2018.  5% of which were XT's; so a bit shy of 9,000 units. by comparison toyota sold nearly 350k camry's that same year. Obviously the forester is a much more useful vehicle, so why did it sell fewer units?
 

[Opie]

1 hour ago, silverton said:

The answer to every thing here is: Subaru is a niche automotive company. They can not keep taking on the risks of low volume vehicles.  Other vehicle manufacturers sell more of one model, than subaru sells cars in total.

Just one quick statistic that I didn't do any diligence of verifying... google says subaru sold 171,613 foresters in 2018.  5% of which were XT's; so a bit shy of 9,000 units. by comparison toyota sold nearly 350k camry's that same year. Obviously the forester is a much more useful vehicle, so why did it sell fewer units?
 

Simple answer, because they produced only 9,000 units.

In 2001 Subaru of America stated that the WRX was coming to the US only as a 4-door sedan. And they had made that decision based on the fact that in 2001, more 4-door 2.5RS's were sold than 2-door 2.5RS's. While that was a factual statement, what they didn't say was that they purposefully produced more 4-doors in the face of high demand for the 2-door model. They also sold every 2.5RS produced without excessive inventory sitting on dealer floorplans. Just like the turbo Foresters....

Another factor, straight from SoA was that the XT model Foresters were less profitable, and took up space on the same production line as the N/A Foresters, so they were axed to increase production on the more profitable models.

I also wouldn't call Subaru a niche carmaker any longer, they are a solid mid-level performer in the United States, their largest market, followed by Australia, then Japan. They have the same market share as Tesla and Volkswagen, and higher market share than Mazda, BMW or Mercedes-Benz.
 

Sales volume in the U.S. – by brand, with the most recent available data for 2024 new‑vehicle sales in the United States:

Rank	Brand	2024 Sales Volume (approx.)	U.S. Market Share (2024)	Year-over‑Year Change
1	General Motors	2.70 million	16–17 %	+4.2 % vehicledatapro.com+4wolfstreet.com+4visualcapitalist.com+4
2	Toyota (incl. Lexus)	2.33 million	~15 %	+3.7 %
3	Ford (incl. Lincoln)	2.08 million	~13 %	+3.8 %
4	Hyundai–Kia	~1.63 million	~11 % (combined)	+3.1 %
5	Honda	~1.42 million	~9 %	+8.1 %
6	Stellantis (incl. Jeep, Ram, Dodge, etc.)	~1.30 million	~8 %	–15 %
7	Nissan–Mitsubishi	~1.00 million	~7 %	+5.4 %
8	Volkswagen	~682 k	~4 %	+0.9 %
9	Subaru	~667 k	~4 %	+5.5 %
10	Tesla	~633 k	~4 %	–6.1 %
11	Mazda	~423 k	~3 %	+16.3 %
12	BMW	~395 k	~3 %	–0.2 %
13	Mercedes-Benz	~372 k	~2 %	+6.4 %
—	Others	~294 k	~2 %	+2.6 %

[Black Ghost]

On 6/20/2025 at 10:42 AM, MoleMan said:

Funny you me tion the Tundra.  It's not just the Tundra but the Tacoma as well.

I'm been pleasure to amuse you )))) (joke) 

For beginning, let me a told that i'm not from USA and didn't know situation with automarket here. (and sorry, for my English, i'm not native)

In my coutry we use cars from US's aftermarket (IAAI, sometimes manheim, etc), and Tacoma very exotic car here) Tundra also rare, but sometimes found on the roads.

Pikups our people don't like) 

Popular car was GX470. RX300-350, etc) 

Middle class use Camry 30-40, Legacy, Accord, Odyssey, stepwgn (when import was allowerd from Japan (RHD)), when it was close: Outback, Forester, also Camry and various Lexus, of course this not all models with import.

We don't have cars manufacturing, and all - imports from others countries.  And we didn't  impact on statictic sales data. 

Authorized dealers: only BMW, Toyota (only 7 models: Corolla, Camry, RAV4, Highlander, LC200/300 and Hilux), Chevy and Kia. So, as I wrote, all was IMHO, based on talks with owners, worker from services and information from web.

On 6/20/2025 at 10:42 AM, MoleMan said:

As far as the Leggy it's dead.

Unfortunatelly, but I'm agree with you. After the merger Subaru-Toyota, I think begined specific inner processes for new bussines plans.

For me: 4thG - one love, and don't wanna drive BR or BN. BW - a little interesting from exterior, but FA-FB engines - don't know. Here's today's tecnologies, if that was add in 4thG - i think it's would be cool (assistents, new cruise control algoritms, EyeSight, etc) and all on classic EJ and EZ))

On 6/20/2025 at 10:42 AM, MoleMan said:

I get we have to evolve. But at least evolve the tried and tested engines everyone loves due to reliability.

agree on 100%

On 6/20/2025 at 10:42 AM, MoleMan said:

Every manufacturer is going to smaller turbo engines.  I just think as soon as the turbos start going alot of owners will piss and moan and say the car is a piece of shit and not go back to that manufacturer again.

I think you're familiar with a term: "era of disposable things". I think it's gotte to cars, too.

Companies don't wanе you drive one car for a long time, and change them as often as possible (for expample every 2 years or every 50-100k km distance). 

I'm affraid this times, when instead of changing fluids in engine, gearbox etc we must change all car (as in the case of EVs where replacing the battery is an unwise decision (whan now we can see with smartphones with  non-removable battery (sure, it's can be fixed, but many people will do this?)

Sorry, i think go to the offtopic theme.

 

On 6/20/2025 at 9:07 PM, silverton said:

The answer to every thing here is: Subaru is a niche automotive company. They can not keep taking on the risks of low volume vehicles.  Other vehicle manufacturers sell more of one model, than subaru sells cars in total.

Not agree.

Sure, сompared to others, their sales are not very high and  they're non in Top-5 or Top-10 (In world), but they're still in a very strong position.

Can i post link?

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Subaru Hits All-Time Sales Record As Solterra Soars 159%
The Legacy may be on death’s door, but deliveries jumped 53.2 percent in March and are up 32 percent year-to-date

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