magnetic1 Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 Has anyone done a comparison on these yet with the Carbotech pads? Does anyone have any opinions on which pad offers better performance? I currently have Carbotechs, but wondering whether the Hawks would perform better. Carbotech is supposed to perform better, but resulting in a higher chance of noise. Hawk is certainly cheaper though... if you dont plan on autocrossing, Hawk may be a better option. If you autocross, the Bobcats will feel much better. Free Sonax Cleaner Deal http://www.brakeswap.com Carbotech, Hawk, PFC, DBA Rotors, Motul, Wilwood, Castrol... Great service. No bumping required ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 I drove on both, the carbotech bobcats are definitely better than the HPS.. but the HP+ needs some warming up as it doesnt bite at the first 2 runs of an autox.. HP+ isnt available yet I dont think from Hawk for the GT.. but stay tuned for that if you need some other bargain autox pad that maybe able to do a light track day.. but again, I think Carbotech would be the better choice as they offer a lot more variety of pads for the GT already.. so far I have used: Bobcats Panther Plus XP8 XP9 XP10 XP11 XP12 Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billz74 Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 That's exactly what I thought but just wanted to confirm. With the Bobcat pads, Racing Brake rotors, ATE Super Blue fluid and the Goodridge lines the car stops on a dime. I'm very happy with my braking performance now.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 ^ wait til the day when you run on some r-compounds, some better rotors and a brake duct kit along with some Carbotech XP12s, then you wish that your seatbelts work better Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansGT Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 better for daily driver with some "aggressive" driving...carbotech or HPS? (note: not wanting more dust than stock...little to no noise...longevity....and I still can not afford Endless SS-M) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 The Bobcats stop fine, but I've not been happy at all since I bought them. They are too noisy for my tastes on the LGT. Not loud noisy, but constant noisy. For a daily driver, I'd steer clear of the Bobcats if that may be an issue for you. I'd gladly give up a little performance to the Bobcats with the Hawks if that is the trade off. Then again, in my case the LGT is the wife's daily executive hauler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I have SnoDork's old Bobcats and he now has HPS pads in his Brembos. He commented that the Bobcats are quite a bit more aggressive in initial bite than the HPS. The Bobcats feel like a performance pad, while the HPS feel more like a stock pad performance wise. However, the Bobcats are indeed noisy at times. I notice some light squeeling when under light braking. Add a bit more pedal pressure and the noise goes away. Not too big a deal for me, but they are definately not as civil as stock pads. The HPS are completely silent according to SnoDork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billz74 Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I've had my Bobcats on for the past 3 months now and have absolutely no noise whatsoever. I use them hard quite frequently, even using them to slow the car down instead of using the transmission (cheaper to replace brake pads than a clutch) and still, no noise. The only thing different I did was use the stock backing pads with some anti-squeal spray formula that I picked up at Autozone. I figured the noise would increase with the RB slotted rotors, but there was no added noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 of all my years driving on Bobcats (which started back 4 years ago or so), I only had minor noise on the cold days just backing the car out of the driveway.. all the other times the brakes are quiet. It's possible that when you install your brake pads, the retainer clips is what is scratching on the rotor surface upon braking.. there's only a few millimeters of clearance for those.. heck, people with "noisy" stock brake pads have this issue and they got those retainer clips replaced and it cured the problem. Again, check the retainer clips, because when you apply the brakes, that retainer clip can shift along with the brake pad: http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/4672/img00130aw6.jpg not much room for the retainer clip to be just off-center and when you apply the brakes, you are also sliding that retainer clip/spring and grinding it against the rotor surface http://www.rapidimagephotography.com/gallery/albums/Keefe/IMG_0025.sized.jpg there's probably just enough room on each side for just 1 to 2mm worth of spacing based on a new rotor: http://www.rapidimagephotography.com/gallery/albums/Keefe/IMG_0029.sized.jpg Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I'll check that, however, I have noise at city cruising speed without applying brake pressure also. I'll see how it looks in those areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I'll check that, however, I have noise at city cruising speed without applying brake pressure also. I'll see how it looks in those areas. it's very possible that you can still get noise if the retaining clips dont return back to it's normal position (but again, it's not suppose to move anyways, but hey, anything can happen). Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Sounds very viable... thanks! Ummm now back to the Hawk pads for everyone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rporter Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Ummm now back to the Hawk pads for everyone... Not until the HP+ is out. Even then, they would need to work better than the Carbotech Panther+ that are my current favorite. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNS Brakes Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 They are already out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rporter Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 They are already out. ???? Have a part # on the HP+? Unless I missed something, I thought Hawk only released the HPS the other day (??). Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNS Brakes Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 HB533N.668 They released HPS/Ceramic/HP+ Still working them for race compounds http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/brakeguru/thegoods-1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rporter Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Thanks for the info!! What do the HP+ go for? I've got about 7.5K and two track days on the Panther+, and they will be good for a bit yet. May just have to try the HP+ the next time around for comparison purposes. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetic1 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Thanks for the info!! What do the HP+ go for? I've got about 7.5K and two track days on the Panther+, and they will be good for a bit yet. May just have to try the HP+ the next time around for comparison purposes. About $125 for HP+ Free Sonax Cleaner Deal http://www.brakeswap.com Carbotech, Hawk, PFC, DBA Rotors, Motul, Wilwood, Castrol... Great service. No bumping required ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTGT Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 I'm interested in the HPS pads for my GT Wagon, but am still confused about the part numbers. I know that Hawk was providing wrong #s on their site earlier. As of today, different part #s are shown for the "GT wagon" and "GT": Hawk Performance: Part Search Results HPS Front (05 GT wagon): HB432F.661 HPS Front (05 GT): HB533F.668 Does anybody know if the wagon has different (front) brakes than the sedan? Or does Hawk just still have things listed wrong? I'm assuming the latter to be true, but want to make sure before ordering em up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNS Brakes Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 I assume you have a turbo - that means they only fixed it half way - I'm almost certain you have the bigger brakes (same as GT sedan) Dan at MachV has a wagon - I'm sure he can help you make sure before you order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mach V Dan Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 The '05+ GT wagon has the exact same brakes, front and rear, as the 05+ GT sedan. --Dan Mach V FastWRX.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTGT Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Thanks Dan and brakeguru. That's what I figured (and hoped). I sent Hawk a note, lettin them know the numbers on their site still appear to be off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garvin Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 subscribe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansGT Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 who has installed the HPS pads and how do they compare to stock....noise, performance, dusting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 you are kidding right? didn't you just ask that yesterday and get a unanimous response? Pull out your CC and BUY them already. I'm gonna start calling you 'IWannaSportSedanJr' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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