andrew_l_s Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 No. The Steering Responsive Fogs cannot be disabled, so I no longer believe in dreams coming true. I did some digging in the FSM, there's a SRF control module located behind the relay pack under the dash. It's possible that unplugging that may disable them. It may disable the fogs completely though. Lighting Mods: $10 Footwell Illumination | Tail as Turn | Fog as DRL Diode Dynamics C-Lights | RX350 Bi-Xenon Retrofit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyjr Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I did some digging in the FSM, there's a SRF control module located behind the relay pack under the dash. It's possible that unplugging that may disable them. It may disable the fogs completely though. Thanks! If you care to investigate further and solve my dilemma, I'll buy dinner. Alternately, would you be able to post an image for reference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_l_s Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Here's what the FSM says: http://i.imgur.com/9QVLtJk.png So we go here: http://i.imgur.com/CEjfzCV.png Don't rip everything to pieces like it says, just drop the lower dash panel: http://i.imgur.com/DHyAZrQ.jpg And the control module is this: http://i.imgur.com/JT7Eky6.jpg I unplugged it, started the car, and immediately got "SRF OFF" on the dash. Fog lights would not work. Plugged it back in, fog lights work. So it cannot be unplugged without disabling fogs completely. So more digging brought me to these diagrams: http://i.imgur.com/dgO8ums.png http://i.imgur.com/eodVIsL.png I would start with the fuses, pull 1 at a time and see what happens. Presumably the 2 under the hood are for each respective fog light. Another thing to try would be tie wires 3 and 10 together to connect the outputs in parallel. But chances are that would just make both fogs activate when steering rather than just the one. Since there is no obvious connection for the steering angle sensor the communication is going over the CAN system. Removing 1 or both of those might do the trick. I'm really not interested in hacking up my car for the sake of something I'm not personally interested in, but I thought I'd get this information out there for anyone who wants to attempt it on their own. Typically the factory connectors have pins that are removable, so I would look at pulling the pin out to disconnect for testing purposes before straight up cutting wires. Lighting Mods: $10 Footwell Illumination | Tail as Turn | Fog as DRL Diode Dynamics C-Lights | RX350 Bi-Xenon Retrofit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyjr Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Here's what the FSM says: http://i.imgur.com/9QVLtJk.png So we go here: http://i.imgur.com/CEjfzCV.png Don't rip everything to pieces like it says, just drop the lower dash panel: http://i.imgur.com/DHyAZrQ.jpg And the control module is this: http://i.imgur.com/JT7Eky6.jpg I unplugged it, started the car, and immediately got "SRF OFF" on the dash. Fog lights would not work. Plugged it back in, fog lights work. So it cannot be unplugged without disabling fogs completely. So more digging brought me to these diagrams: http://i.imgur.com/dgO8ums.png http://i.imgur.com/eodVIsL.png I would start with the fuses, pull 1 at a time and see what happens. Presumably the 2 under the hood are for each respective fog light. Another thing to try would be tie wires 3 and 10 together to connect the outputs in parallel. But chances are that would just make both fogs activate when steering rather than just the one. Since there is no obvious connection for the steering angle sensor the communication is going over the CAN system. Removing 1 or both of those might do the trick. I'm really not interested in hacking up my car for the sake of something I'm not personally interested in, but I thought I'd get this information out there for anyone who wants to attempt it on their own. Typically the factory connectors have pins that are removable, so I would look at pulling the pin out to disconnect for testing purposes before straight up cutting wires. Outstanding information, thanks very much! I'm wondering if the non-eyesight equipped 3.6, which has HID, has a different fog light module than the SRF cars? If it does, it may be as easy as a module swap. I'll try the fuses when I get time, but I'm guessing they exist for non SRF cars too. In the meantime, I installed some VLED brand LED bulbs in the fogs. I also aimed them, as they were all wonky from the factory. The bulb color makes them less noticeable as I'm driving, but disabled is still my goal. Thanks again. I'll update when I know more. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATS4LIFE Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Are our fog lights adjustable?left/right/up/down? Or is it fixed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyjr Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Are our fog lights adjustable?left/right/up/down? Or is it fixed? Full disclosure; I'm an Outback owner. I hang out here too, as much of the stuff is the same. On the Outback, the fogs are only adjustable for height. It takes a Phillips screwdriver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_l_s Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Are our fog lights adjustable?left/right/up/down? Or is it fixed? Height adjustable with a screwdriver. Plastic underbody panel right below fog drops down with 4 clips and provides access. Lighting Mods: $10 Footwell Illumination | Tail as Turn | Fog as DRL Diode Dynamics C-Lights | RX350 Bi-Xenon Retrofit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_l_s Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Outstanding information, thanks very much! I'm wondering if the non-eyesight equipped 3.6, which has HID, has a different fog light module than the SRF cars? If it does, it may be as easy as a module swap. I'll try the fuses when I get time, but I'm guessing they exist for non SRF cars too. In the meantime, I installed some VLED brand LED bulbs in the fogs. I also aimed them, as they were all wonky from the factory. The bulb color makes them less noticeable as I'm driving, but disabled is still my goal. Thanks again. I'll update when I know more. :cheers: Well duh...I didn't even think of that:lol: you're right, "base" pkg 21 model Limiteds have standard fog lights meaning they use the stalk mounted switch, but no EyeSight and therefore no SRF. So your solution is in this mess of a wiring diagram that I'm too tired to attempt to comprehend at the moment. http://i.imgur.com/ocdAaNY.png Lighting Mods: $10 Footwell Illumination | Tail as Turn | Fog as DRL Diode Dynamics C-Lights | RX350 Bi-Xenon Retrofit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyjr Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Well duh...I didn't even think of that:lol: you're right, "base" pkg 21 model Limiteds have standard fog lights meaning they use the stalk mounted switch, but no EyeSight and therefore no SRF. So your solution is in this mess of a wiring diagram that I'm too tired to attempt to comprehend at the moment. http://i.imgur.com/ocdAaNY.png Great info, thanks again! I've spent some time with this today and here's what I've found: - the two (L&R) fog fuses in the main fuse box (under the hood) are likely needed for fog operation, regardless of whether or not the vehicle has SRF. - it appears, based on the diagram, the signal wires to the fog relay are different, depending on SRF equipped or not. I say this because the diagram shows signal wires to the relay in two positions, but there is only one fog lamp relay in the fuse box. - based on the second diagram; there shows a 7.5a fuse associated with the SRF module. I pulled that fuse and it also kills the fogs and HID headlight leveling system. I'm starting to believe this is impossible, with the electronics so integrated as they are on these cars. Thanks again for the research and information! Hoppy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Tungsten Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 I don't know about you guys but I have a 2015 Legacy 2.5 Limited with Eyesight. I have the fog lights that when the headlights are on, come on when you are turning and light up the side of the road in the direction of the turn. I like that feature and would certainly not want to disable my fog lights for that reason alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyjr Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 I don't know about you guys but I have a 2015 Legacy 2.5 Limited with Eyesight. I have the fog lights that when the headlights are on, come on when you are turning and light up the side of the road in the direction of the turn. I like that feature and would certainly not want to disable my fog lights for that reason alone. We are talking about that feature. Not looking disable the fogs, only the steering responsive feature. I'm glad you like it, but some of us don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creolo25 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Is this the first time your starting it? Or did you use it last year Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATS4LIFE Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Height adjustable with a screwdriver. Plastic underbody panel right below fog drops down with 4 clips and provides access. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyjr Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Thank you. I'm pretty sure that Morimoto makes a complete fog lamp replacement for the Legacy. It's optimized for the LED beam too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_l_s Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 I'm pretty sure that Morimoto makes a complete fog lamp replacement for the Legacy. It's optimized for the LED beam too. They do, major improvement over stock. Much better investment than putting LEDs in stock housings imo. Lighting Mods: $10 Footwell Illumination | Tail as Turn | Fog as DRL Diode Dynamics C-Lights | RX350 Bi-Xenon Retrofit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruNoLies Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 So I just passed an Imprezza Sport and noticed it's DRL's were the fogs or separate LED's. Man that looked good I wouldn't mind that feature at all. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_l_s Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 So I just passed an Imprezza Sport and noticed it's DRL's were the fogs or separate LED's. Man that looked good I wouldn't mind that feature at all. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Just checked one Friday while at the dealer with my parents, there's a vertical strip of 3 LEDs on each side. Haven't seen one with them on but they looked nice. Could definitely retrofit them or something similar on a Legacy without fog lights, as the blank out plates are a perfect candidate to cut and mouth LED strips in based on their shape. Lighting Mods: $10 Footwell Illumination | Tail as Turn | Fog as DRL Diode Dynamics C-Lights | RX350 Bi-Xenon Retrofit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diode Dynamics Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Ah. I just realized...this is not the Legacy model yet, but those are coming next @kayslay21 My apologies! Nick C. John C. Diode Dynamics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayslay21 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Ah. I just realized...this is not the Legacy model yet, but those are coming next @kayslay21 My apologies! Nick C. impatiently waiting lol :spin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylorJockin Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 What is the purpose of the c-light? When is it even on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavySubsSS Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 It's just for looks. It comes on in the parking light position and when the lights are on Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger73 Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 What is the purpose of the c-light? When is it even on? These are parker lights. But they are so dim that it's hard to see them unless it's night. time For the in-between light at twilight when you want to have lights on to be seen, they are next to useless. Tigger73's MY15 2.5i build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_l_s Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 These are parker lights. But they are so dim that it's hard to see them unless it's night. time For the in-between light at twilight when you want to have lights on to be seen, they are next to useless. Hey, they look good in pics at least:lol: http://i.imgur.com/fV1UNtt.jpg Lighting Mods: $10 Footwell Illumination | Tail as Turn | Fog as DRL Diode Dynamics C-Lights | RX350 Bi-Xenon Retrofit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger73 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 Hey, they look good in pics at least:lol: ...with a long exposure Tigger73's MY15 2.5i build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_l_s Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 ...with a long exposure Yea there's that:rolleyes: Cannot wait for Diode Dynamics to work some magic:wub: Lighting Mods: $10 Footwell Illumination | Tail as Turn | Fog as DRL Diode Dynamics C-Lights | RX350 Bi-Xenon Retrofit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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