08SpecB_DE Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Any updates? I was interested in the Kevlar belt at the very least Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk Don't risk it. Get a Continental kit or an Aisin kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldrego Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Don't risk it. Get a Continental kit or an Aisin kit. Is Aisin the better one? Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08SpecB_DE Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 I wouldn't say it's better or worse but it is cheaper. I think I paid around 250 for the entire kit with water pump from rockauto. The conti kit runs around 330+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 Anyone have success with any other or newer Gates kits? I tried talk to support via email, but they man they are so freaking rude. This really jives with the responses they are giving other people too. It's like Gates doesn't care for supporting their products. Anyway, First they told me to go to the retailer for a replacement, I told them why would a retailer pay out of pocket for their fault, plus I got mine online. Then they said they would only replace it if I sent the current one. The friend's car that I put this kit on is 3 hours away, and they can't have it down for two weeks while gates receives the current tensioner and sends the new one. Overall I used to be 100% Gates products now, seeing how rude and horrible their customer support is, I'm gonna look elsewhere for my belt needs. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodle Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 So I took a chance and ordered the Gates kit minus water pump from Rock Auto about a week ago. Opened it up today and slid the paperwork aside to not open the plastic. It has the Chinese gear but the blue NTN tensioner. Looking at it again I can't tell if it's stamped NTN. It looks like the OP picture aside from the stamping. Sorry for the crappy photos. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/6a3aec25cf26b78e8b0375f49601ed50.jpg http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/45d4736d3b54dc7c68039ef213fd3ed2.jpg http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/93528e659598895d6e84d402276b0582.jpg Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodle Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 looking back at the box and at the OP picture of parts list mine has the last line of T43138 Made in Japan as opposed to Canada. I still can't see any stamping on it though that says it's actually NTN for what it's worth but I'm not going to actually open it until I get the rest of the parts I'm waiting on. https://www.amazon.com/Gates-T43138-Belt-Tensioner/dp/B001R60TDO trying to post the link to the Amazon page for some reason keeps changing to Rakuten unless i keep this text after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexi Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 I'm not sure, but I don't think that's an NTN tensioner. You can't see NTN or Japan stamped on the tensioner body where they usually are. http://www.flatironstuning.com/images/Product/large/1553.jpg http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1145528&cc=1443525&jsn=376 That looks like the tensioner that comes in the dayco kit http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=6420705&cc=1443525&jsn=377&jsn=377 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08SpecB_DE Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Ahhh, a gambling man It does resemble the good tensioner but who knows if it's the same quality. I guess we will all find out when you put it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08SpecB_DE Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Ahhh, a gambling man It does resemble the good tensioner but who knows if it's the same quality. I guess we will all find out when you put it on. The tensioner in question did not have the visible blue seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Dayco...http://www.daycoproducts.com/part?category_id%3D1084%26year%3D2005%26make%3D58%26modeltype%3D3%26model%3D1149%26description%3D1907%26part_number%3D95328K1 http://www.daycoproducts.com/parts?category_id=1084&year=2005&make=58&modeltype=3&model=1149&description=1907 http://www.daycoproducts.com/dayco%C2%AE-timing-belt-kits 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flinkly Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 the whole kit of Subaru parts is only $316 from Partsouq (4 idlers, tensioner, belt). granted, Gates made it simple, but why not just get OEM parts for so cheap? EDIT: and for known quality * Build Thread * 26.53 MPG - 12 month Average * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodle Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 The tensioner in question did not have the visible blue seal. What blue seal. The pictures I took look like it has the blue inner ring like the NTN tensioner. However it is looking more and more like the Dayco tensioner even though the box gives the gates part number that corresponds to their own site picture that looks like the NTN. May have to call Rock Auto and see if they will let me open it for a better look and still have the option to return it. Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08SpecB_DE Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 That's what I was referring to. It could be a knock off but who knows. Why go through all the trouble knowing the kit had possible flaws? It looks like the ntn tensioner that came with my Aisin kit as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisav Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Damn, wish I had seen this thread. Had my brother order a kit from Amazon last month. It's already half on and I just asked him about it and he said the pulleys were made in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbrudder Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Subscribed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAx96 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 105k on the odometer, due for a belt n water pump. Whats the best quality kit to get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08SpecB_DE Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Conti, Aisin or Dayco. In that order. I'm more familiar with Continental and Aisin but plenty of people have good luck with Dayco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flinkly Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Oem * Build Thread * 26.53 MPG - 12 month Average * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govinator3 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Hey guys, I just bought a tck328 from rockauto. It all says made in Japan on the box except for the belt which is usa. All the idlers and drive pulley is Taide china bearings but the tensioner is NTN. It comes with a tsb about needing to stroke and compress the tensioner 3 times before installation to get air out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Did a timing belt job on a friends car recently, he got a RockAuto or Amazon kit too, the geared pulley was made in china, rest were NTN (tensioner), NSK, and KOYO. He bought a new geared NTN tensioner (was like $60 alone!). Rest went smooth as butter, we didn't bleed the tensioner like they said since it's an NTN one (your more likely to bleed it wrong haha). 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubOperator Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Damn, didn't see the thread before. I put Gates TCKWP307 bought from Amazon on son's 05 OB. All except for water pump was labeled as made in Japan on the box, however the tensioner looked exactly like one on the picture of sealed kit above. Hmm. Belt was labeled USA and did have marks for timing which was really helpful. Car makes some tapping noise that I can't relate to whether engine is cold or hot. Could be steering pump, valves, water pump or exhaust manifold leak. Amazon did have few people complain about water pump making tapping noise with this kit. If I read this thread or Amazon reviews on Gates 307 kit (I wasn't the one who ordered it), I would go with Aisin kit, it's less then $100 difference. Sinking few K in full engine rebuild I would happily spend another $100 for piece of mind. That said I have chinese made Gates Water pump installed on my 05 LGT at 100K belt service few years back. Its now at 194K and is running fine. Here are the parts on the engine: http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=242394&stc=1&d=1482116436 Here is the kit: http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=242395&stc=1&d=1482116436 2005 LGT Wagon Limited 6 MT RBP Stage 2 - 248K 2007 B9 Tribeca Limited DGM - 258K SOLD - 2005 OB Limited 5 MT Silver - 245K SOLD - 2010 OB 6 MT Silver - 205K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 Your tesnsioner is blue, which means it's good (NSK). Next time get an OEM water pump, it's not much more ($80ish) but well worth it for peace of mind. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubOperator Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Yeah I am learning what can be bought from 3rd party and what should be OEM only. Most of what goes on the engine I will buy OEM unless its proven aftermarket or OEM manufacturer selling not Subaru branded parts. I bought full Exedy clutch kit for same 05 OB from Amazon and everything (flywheel, clutch disk, pressure plate, OEM TOB) was cheaper than flywheel alone from the dealer. It works great and feel/engagement control is just awesome. Paired it with TSB1 kit for the money saved on OEM parts from same manufacturer. OEM clutch that came off was marked Subaru/Exedy. with 3rd party it can be either a success like the Exedy kit above, total crapshot or anything in between. Few years back I bought supposedly new Koni suspension parts (top mounts, shocks, shock boots) for same 05 OB from Amazon. Shocks were direct fitment and new, shock boots didn't fit but were new, and top mounts were NOT NEW, just old top mounts painted black. I was pissed to no extend. I only found that out when we got to work few weeks after the parts came in, so I was beyond timeline to return them to Amazon. On other hand I bought grey Subaru engine sealant from Amazon for half the price the dealer charged me. Same product, one to one. Similar story with fuel pump filter. It varies. These days whenever I get parts I try to inspect them right away, dealer or not. 2005 LGT Wagon Limited 6 MT RBP Stage 2 - 248K 2007 B9 Tribeca Limited DGM - 258K SOLD - 2005 OB Limited 5 MT Silver - 245K SOLD - 2010 OB 6 MT Silver - 205K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 When did it become mandatory to bleed the tensioner in the Gates kit by cycling the piston through 3 cycles? https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2832541 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Service bulletin from Gates, regarding Subaru kits: https://www.gates.com/~/media/files/gates/automotive/resources/tech-tips-and-tsbs/gates-bulletin-pa002_16.pdf ...Gates Engineers have identified certain aspects of the OE tensioner that would benefit from improvement and have recently introduced an OE- Improved, problem-solving tensioner with the following features... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.