rob_m Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Do Any of you know of anyone in Central MA who can install the sway bar for me. I dont have a ramp or tools. Also am not very hands on when it comes to car. The Dealer refused to install it for me. Just find another dealer. I'm sure most would be happy for the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdc782 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Do Any of you know of anyone in Central MA who can install the sway bar for me. I dont have a ramp or tools. Also am not very hands on when it comes to car. The Dealer refused to install it for me. did you get the 19mm? It's a standard subaru accessory. I don't understand why they would refuse? I'm also in central MA, but have yet to purchase RSB. I think I'll just climb under the car and get dirty. It looks like its only a few bolts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda_One Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) See post #55, #56, #57 Edited April 29, 2015 by Yoda_One Laughing at Oneself and with Other is good for the Soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdc782 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 See post #55, #56, #57 row, no link? no page number! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 row, no link? no page number! I hope that's a joke. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdc782 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) ^^ definitely a joke. just chiding him since he's always so helpful with pointing members to other threads etc etc. always very helpful. Edited April 29, 2015 by cdc782 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2_From_NH Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Better? Subaru XV Crosstrek Rear Sway Bar Kit - 20mm Install. Model(s): XV Crosstrek Model Year(s): 2013 2014 Part Number(s): 20451VA000-20464VA000 x2 - See more at: http://subaruonlineparts.com/subaru-crosstrek-rear-sway-20mm-p-3920.html#sthash.vg1R0xIX.dpuf Perfect fit, you can probably park the car one side on the curve for easy access to it. This is a must mod on top of your list! I can notice the different just rolling out of my drive way. Ride with much more confident now, it feels like a different car. The metal part are being reused, you'll only need three parts to complete this upgrade which is two bushing, one rear sway bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibjer Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Do Any of you know of anyone in Central MA who can install the sway bar for me. I dont have a ramp or tools. Also am not very hands on when it comes to car. The Dealer refused to install it for me. I'm in shrewsbury and have installed rear sways in a few of my previous subaru's, assuming this install isn't much different, I don't mind lending a hand. '20 Legacy XT Touring 13 Subarus and counting: http://jmaigroup.com/subarus/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T4Fun Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 these subarus are prone to corrosion as evidenced in pics above. why the f#$%$%$ didnt they use aluminum components is beyond me? another slap on subarus face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rayms69 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) I dont see that much corrosion, a little rust on the muffler. The exhaust could have been stainless, im gonna paint mine this summer Edited April 30, 2015 by rayms69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2_From_NH Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I dont see that much corrosion, a little rust on the muffler. The exhaust could have been stainless, im gonna paint mine this summer Agreed. All those components look pretty corrosion-free to me! And besides, it's only a matter of time before it's gonna happen. I'm glad that my Legacy won't see New England until it's older. That will set that corrosion timeline back a few years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2_From_NH Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 these subarus are prone to corrosion as evidenced in pics above. why the f#$%$%$ didnt they use aluminum components is beyond me? another slap on subarus face The only cars that really use aluminum are sports cars. Stamped steel is so much more practical than aluminum. At least it's not cast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 The only cars that really use aluminum are sports cars. Stamped steel is so much more practical than aluminum. At least it's not cast! All Subaru STi and JDM WRX have aluminum front control arms and many early ones had rear lateral links made from aluminum. Also my wife's 2007 BMW 328i has aluminum suspension and subframe components. None of those are sports cars, they are all run of the mill sedans. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T4Fun Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 The only cars that really use aluminum are sports cars. Stamped steel is so much more practical than aluminum. At least it's not cast! not! infiniti and lexus have aluminum parts on their cars. Look at the pics of a new subaru i bot for amount of corrosion this thing will get in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2_From_NH Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) All Subaru STi and JDM WRX have aluminum front control arms and many early ones had rear lateral links made from aluminum. Also my wife's 2007 BMW 328i has aluminum suspension and subframe components. None of those are sports cars, they are all run of the mill sedans. I forgot that the 2006-2007 (and later?) WRX/STI had aluminum suspension members. But I would count those as sports cars. Maybe my definition of sports car is more liberal than most people's? But, I would go as far as to say that a BMW is a sports sedan. While there isn't much special about an entry level 3 series, it is still marketed to a different crowd than your average midsize sedan buyer. Lighter suspension = less unsprung weight = lighter spring (or better body control with same spring vs steel) not! infiniti and lexus have aluminum parts on their cars. Look at the pics of a new subaru i bot for amount of corrosion this thing will get in future. Infiniti and Lexus are also marketed towards a different crowd than your average Camry/Accord/Mazda6/etc buyer. Like I said before - it's gonna happen regardless. Even my 22 year old Toyota (which has only been driven in snow twice in it's life and routinely kept in a garage) has some corrosion. I'm from New England where they salt the roads and things get rusty with a quickness. For me, cars have a 10 year shelf life, partly due to rust. But, I might just have a different view of what's normal for rusty cars! Where I would draw the line is when corrosion has prematurely (less than 10 years, like in the 5-7 year range) caused significant structural degradation warranting replacement of items that wouldn't normally be replaced (i.e. control arms). Hell, if anything - I'm more worried about the electronic parking brake failing than corrosion! Edited April 30, 2015 by 2_From_NH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Lets keep the discussion pertinent to the thread topic. No thread jacking with corrosion tangents please. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2_From_NH Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Lets keep the discussion pertinent to the thread topic. No thread jacking with corrosion tangents please. Sorry Back on topic: I will say one thing - I love how easy it is to replace the rear sway bar! Definitely going to be one of my first projects! Has anyone directly compared and tested the difference between the 19mm bar and the 20mm bar? I can't recall the math off the top of my head, but that should be something like a 15% difference (19 vs 20)? And how conservative is Subaru with their damper tuning? I'd hate to max out the rear struts just because I put on a stiffer sway bar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdc782 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Sorry Has anyone directly compared and tested the difference between the 19mm bar and the 20mm bar? I can't recall the math off the top of my head, but that should be something like a 15% difference (19 vs 20)? And how conservative is Subaru with their damper tuning? I'd hate to max out the rear struts just because I put on a stiffer sway bar! Yes i'm interested in this as well. Trying to determine if i want the 19 or 20. i'm a relaxed driver and just use the car as a daily driver. 19 is probably fine for me but still curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2_From_NH Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Compared to stock, the 19mm is 50% stiffer, and the 20mm is 59% stiffer. Compared to the 19mm, the 20mm bar is 19% stiffer. And just FYI, I'm getting ready to go to bed, so my math might not be accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) http://www.oakos.com/wrx/swaybarchart.htm The 19 and 20 are respectively 99% and 144% stiffer than the stock 16mm. It seems like a lot, but I went directly to 22mm from the stock 16mm and the 257% improvement was fantastic and not at all as harsh as it may seem. Edited April 30, 2015 by GTEASER GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryLeg Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Installed the Whiteline swaybar, medium setting. Getting a clunk from the rear. Re-torqued the bolts and centered the sway bar (was way over the driver side by 1.5"). Can't be sure but I think it did not make the noise before I centered it, at least I didn't notice it. Now it is pretty noticable when I turn a corner and go over a bump or when accelerating/braking hard. I am semi decent garage mechanic so I don't think I installed anything incorrectly but as always, it's possible something is incorrect. Any ideas? Thanks for any help. If I can't get this resolved I'll probably either install Kartboy endlinks or go to a regular 19mm swaybar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I think someone else here had the same clunk. Try flipping the bar over so that the "hump" in the middle of the bar faces down, away from the spare tire well. I don't think there will be an exhaust clearance issue. The 6th Gen may have a little less clearance to the spare tire well than the 5th Gen did. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ammcinnis Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) The 19 and 20 are respectively 99% and 144% stiffer than the stock 16mm. It seems like a lot ... Those are the correct numbers. The torsional stiffness of a solid rod is proportional to the 4th power of the diameter. 16mm stock = 1.00 (19/16) ^ 4 = 1.99 (20/16) ^ 4 = 2.44 (22/16) ^ 4 = 3.57 N.B. For a stabilizer bar, you also have to consider the length of the arms at each end. I know the arm lengths are the same for the 16mm and 19mm Subaru bars, and I assume that arms on the 20mm bar are also the same length. I think the aftermarket 22mm bars have variable arm length (e.g. multiple attach holes), so that would affect the overall stiffness of the bar installation. Edited April 30, 2015 by ammcinnis "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there." ~ The Cheshire Cat (Alice in Wonderland) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanmanz Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I'm in shrewsbury and have installed rear sways in a few of my previous subaru's, assuming this install isn't much different, I don't mind lending a hand. I am in Shrewsbury too. Will contact once I have the parts I ordered. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredrik94087 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Those are the correct numbers. The torsional stiffness of a solid rod is proportional to the 4th power of the diameter. 16mm stock = 1.00 (19/16) ^ 4 = 1.99 (20/16) ^ 4 = 2.44 (22/16) ^ 4 = 3.57 N.B. For a stabilizer bar, you also have to consider the length of the arms at each end. I know the arm lengths are the same for the 16mm and 19mm Subaru bars, and I assume that arms on the 20mm bar are also the same length. I think the aftermarket 22mm bars have variable arm length (e.g. multiple attach holes), so that would affect the overall stiffness of the bar installation. For all these percentages getting thrown around, remember that it is only one part of your rear suspension geometry. A bar that is 10x the stiffness will not affect the rear by 10x (roll/lean/push/etc.). It is only a fractional amount. "It's within spec" - SOA "Depth is only shallowness viewed from the side." - Fredism "So, how much did it cost for your car to be undriveable ." - Stephen (very close friend) "You have done so much it would be stupid to go back." - Sunny of Guru Electronics 2018Q50RS | 2015WrxThread | Shrek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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