ehsnils Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 The way I understood it, two things were counter to them importing the diesel. Or maybe 3: -there currently isn't an AT that SOA can pair to the diesel's torque, so they would have to be MT. We all know how well MT sells in the US. I am not sure if any Eurospec turbodiesels come in AT, I was under the impression they were all MT. -current Subaru diesel needs changes (read: added costs) in order to conform to US emissions And these hang in the balance with the fact that diesel adoptions is lacking, appears the market is going the way of electric/hybrid, and the final cost of the vehicle would shoot it out of the pricerange of many shoppers. But of course I have been completely incorrect before The diesels will come with the CVT gearbox in 2013, and I plan to take one for a test drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbone Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Ned, it's not all about max torque but also how it is delivered by the engine. The diesel throws the max torque at very low rpm, below the converter stall speed, which can be problematic. The current 5EAT stall is 3400 rpm. One more k and you are in redline I can only imagine the drivability suckiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Ned Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Ned, it's not all about max torque but also how it is delivered by the engine. The diesel throws the max torque at very low rpm, below the converter stall speed, which can be problematic. The current 5EAT stall is 3400 rpm. One more k and you are in redline. If the guts of the beastie can take the torque, reprogramming things like stall speed and shift points is child's play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Don't forget that the diesel has the max torque at a much lower RPM range, which means that you may end up with stall in the torque converter and possible risk of cavitation effects on the turbine blades in the converter. In any case it's a moot point since the diesel will come with a CVT gearbox, and that gearbox will also probably replace the 5EAT box in the future for vehicles with the 3.6 and turbo engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahoseman Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 I had a manual lockup installed for my torque converter on my highly modified old Dodge Diesel auto tranny. It was the best change I made to that transmission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbone Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 If the guts of the beastie can take the torque, reprogramming things like stall speed and shift points is child's play. Stall speed cannot be reprogrammed. That requires hardware modifications. But you are right, it wouldn't be the end of the world to get it done. Looks like Subaru would much rather stuff the souless and completely pedestrian CVT instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Ned Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 But you are right, it wouldn't be the end of the world to get it done. Looks like Subaru would much rather stuff the souless and completely pedestrian CVT instead Good old Subaru. Let's make our tranny designs last for 20+ years even though the input torque is twice the original spec (the Leone 5MT in the original WRX). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o1legacygt Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I would be hopeful that we would get a turbo diesel. I would buy it without question. However, I might not wait any longer and that is why I listed my LGT in the classifieds.. Might end up just going with a Passat TDI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haight 05LGT Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I would be hopeful that we would get a turbo diesel. I would buy it without question. However, I might not wait any longer and that is why I listed my LGT in the classifieds.. Might end up just going with a Passat TDI. GROSS! Audi is much better than VW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xt2005bonbon Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I am currently driving my OBXT here in Europa land for a little while. I've been a couple of times following some 2.0D outback and they are 'torquey' but as it has been mentioned, their torque dies quick as mine keeps increasing . But on the starting blocks, it'd be VERY close for the first 1.5 seconds IMO. On another note, I have to say that newer European diesel engines really don't stink as much as they did before. I ride my bike to work everyday and I can easily tell if an older diesel car is passing by vs. a newer one. Two major differences: can't see black smoke as before even when they accelerate hard; and the newer ones kinna smell like an engine running on natural gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o1legacygt Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 GROSS! Audi is much better than VW Umm.. Thanks for your opinion. And if you look at 90% of the parts under a VW they are stamped with the Audi logo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haight 05LGT Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Umm.. Thanks for your opinion. And if you look at 90% of the parts under a VW they are stamped with the Audi logo... What I meant is as far as diesel options go, Audi is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcoonley Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Is the diesel successful for Subaru in Europe? Does anyone know the price delta and what percentage choose the Diesel? I keep holding off purchasing my wife's next vehicle waiting for the Diesel. The little CRV now has over 200K miles. I think it will make it a couple more years tops. Come On Subaru bring over the diesel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Is the diesel successful for Subaru in Europe? Does anyone know the price delta and what percentage choose the Diesel? I keep holding off purchasing my wife's next vehicle waiting for the Diesel. The little CRV now has over 200K miles. I think it will make it a couple more years tops. Come On Subaru bring over the diesel! The diesel with a 6MT is priced the same as a 2.5i with CVT. http://www.subaru.se/prislista So it's not much more for the diesel engine. And of the later model year subies I see around here most are diesels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xt2005bonbon Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Is the diesel successful for Subaru in Europe? Does anyone know the price delta and what percentage choose the Diesel? I keep holding off purchasing my wife's next vehicle waiting for the Diesel. The little CRV now has over 200K miles. I think it will make it a couple more years tops. Come On Subaru bring over the diesel! When I was in Norway the past two years, I saw plenty of diesel ones. Basically, whenever I saw a newer Subaru, it usually was a diesel (lots of people were especially getting the Forester). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegacyDan Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 you can only buy Subaru's in diesel form in Ireland: http://www.subaru.ie/index.php/subaru-models/legacy/technical-data/296 you see very few new Subaru's on the roads over here, they kind of priced themselves out of the market. They are pretty quiet though, not as loud as the droves of Audi on BMW diesels that are everywhere here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berzerklo Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 What I meant is as far as diesel options go, Audi is the way to go. This is simply not true. Audi offers a TDI A3 and Q7. VW offers a TDI Golf, Passat, Jetta (wagon and sedan), Beetle and the Touareg. Why make diesels even more expensive by buying an Audi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbone Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 I wonder why no diesel Tiguan. Would it price it out of the competition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 V10D Touareg is a BEAST!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I wonder why no diesel Tiguan. Would it price it out of the competition? It's available over here, so it's just a marketing decision by VW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13fido13 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 What kind of power are the diesels putting out? I wonder what kind of aftermarket upgrades there would be available. As a diesel mechanic, I would seriously consider getting a hold of one and doing a swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 About 150hp is the power, but the top torque is the same as for the H6 but between 1800 and 2400 rpm. That rpm range is where you are when driving normally which makes driving on small roads with a lot of curves pleasant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Coming from a 05.5 Jetta TDI I would love a TDI Legacy as long as Subaru doesn't screw it up as bad as VW did with the HPFP bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_ster Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 i talked to a dealer here. he just keeps making up bull shit reasons... 1# its not 5 star crash safety rated? bs. 2# its not meeting emissions ... bs its suposed to be the cleanest diesel. 3# says nobody would want one. Now that's thinking out of the boxer! fyi all 05 + legacy's have built in code reader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 i talked to a dealer here. he just keeps making up bull shit reasons... 1# its not 5 star crash safety rated? bs. 2# its not meeting emissions ... bs its suposed to be the cleanest diesel. 3# says nobody would want one. 1 may be true in a sense, for a manufacturer to sell a car here even if the gas has passed crash testing, the Diesel model still has to be also. Subaru may not think it's worth the cost. Cleanest by what standard? It currently doesn't meet US standards which are the most stringent. VW sell plenty of TDI, but it has a following, hopefully Subaru will see the numbers VW are selling and realize none of them are the 4 motion models. I've read plenty of VW TDI owner say that if Subaru sold a TDI they'd jump ship in a heart beat for the AWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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