First snow, VERY disappointed

[ssbtech]

So, you are correct. The limits are lower than tires that outclass it. You can't compare HPAS tires to UHPAS tires.

 

That would be true for any tire.

 

The RE92s are perfectly good for snow driving if you have ultra low expectations.

 

We get it - you're a perfect driver and would be happy driving around in the snow on summer tires, within their limits of course.

 

Not everyone gets to "practice" snow driving without actually being out in traffic in the snow.

[hadvw]

You just compared the Michelin Pilot Sport AS+ to the RE92. That's not a similar tire in any respect.

 

So, you are correct. The limits are lower than tires that outclass it. You can't compare HPAS tires to UHPAS tires.

 

The RE92 is a perfectly fine tire. I still suggest upgrading tires first, and foremost, but not because the RE92 is a BAD tire.

 

Well, except for the fact that the RE92 is $285/tire, and the MPS AS+ is around $160/tire. And that Bridgestone makes better tires for less $$.

 

I would disagree - the RE92's limits are noticeably lower than those of tires that other manufacturers put on their vehicles from the factory. Was just in a rental car for 3 weeks (not my fault, $5K damage to the LGT). The Altima 2.5 sedan came with ContiExtreme Contact. Wow, those were better in dry and wet than the RE92. Didn't get a chance to try snow, but I already know they SUCK in snow. Those were also "free".

[rock2534]

I would fully agree the re92's suck in snow. Yes you can use them in the winter and get to where you are going, I did for the first winter I had my car. But that was a huge let down. Depends on what level of grip you want, I was used to my previous fwd car with snows, so the mediocre snow traction of the re92 was just not acceptable. I dumped them for a set of Nokian WRs and ran them all year round. They were great in the summer and awesome in the snow...they are just expensive now which sucks! In all fairness though, I had no complaints about the re92 in the non winter months.

[hmmrdwn]

That would be true for any tire.

 

The RE92s are perfectly good for snow driving if you have ultra low expectations.

 

We get it - you're a perfect driver and would be happy driving around in the snow on summer tires, within their limits of course.

 

Not everyone gets to "practice" snow driving without actually being out in traffic in the snow.

 

Maybe he's just saying that he isn't an idiot driver? We had a recent snow storm (first of year) and there were 90 crashes. Do you think it's because of the tires or the drivers? Why did everyone else that day get through the snow and safely to their destination?

[bmx045]

Maybe he's just saying that he isn't an idiot driver? We had a recent snow storm (first of year) and there were 90 crashes. Do you think it's because of the tires or the drivers? Why did everyone else that day get through the snow and safely to their destination?

 

 

they were driving a spec b.

[BAC5.2]

That would be true for any tire.

 

Yes it is. Welcome to the party.

 

The RE92s are perfectly good for snow driving if you have ultra low expectations.

 

Considering the field of HPAS tires, a <25k RE92 is great for snow driving if you have expectations commensurate with an HPAS. If you expect snow-tire performance, expect to be disappointed. It's not a snow tire.

 

ANY AS tire, beyond some nominal tread depth, becomes no longer "suitable" for use in snow. The ExtremeContact DWS is a perfect example. Once the "S" wears off, it's no longer "suitable" for snow use. Even your Nokians have snow performance substantially diminished after the first few thousand miles of driving.

 

We get it - you're a perfect driver and would be happy driving around in the snow on summer tires, within their limits of course.

 

I'm not a perfect driver. But I understand the limits of a tire. For the tire it was, the RE92 was perfectly adequate in the snow. I was able to stay within their limits with 400whp, you should be able to do the same with far less. This isn't rocket science.

 

COULD I drive on summer tires in the snow? I'd make the decision not to leave the house if snow was on the ground and all I had were summer tires.

 

Not everyone gets to "practice" snow driving without actually being out in traffic in the snow.

 

Which puts the responsibility on the driver. I wouldn't expect to be able to play guitar in Journey, if I didn't take the time to practice. Practice makes perfect. If you aren't willing to practice, drive at your own risk regardless of the tires you have. Even with snow tires, you need to practice driving. Just because I buy a Gibson Les Paul, doesn't mean I'll instantly be a world class guitarist.

 

The RE92 is a great AS tire, and is perfectly serviceable in the snow. It's no snow tire, nor is it a UHPAS, and you should drive on them accordingly.

 

In non-snow conditions, the RE92 is quiet, efficient, are audible at the limit and break away cleanly and smoothly. In snow conditions, I'd put an RE92 up back-to-back with any other HPAS tire on the same Subaru and I suspect they'd get by just the same.

[BigTDogg MA]

they were driving a spec b.

 

 

Soooooo.... In other words....

 

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[hmmrdwn]

they were driving a spec b.

 

I love it. Yep, that's got to be it. Everyone else had spec b's. LOL

[BAC5.2]

That audi pic is... awesome.

[mwiener2]

You guys should see me and my outback at the road course... kinda looks like that audi, but more dirt is involved

[BAC5.2]

Pics. Nao.

[ssbtech]

I was able to stay within their limits with 400whp, you should be able to do the same with far less. This isn't rocket science.

 

HP doesn't come into it when you're braking and navigating a slow speed corner.

[StriderBau]

I love the pic with the kid in it haha.

[BAC5.2]

HP doesn't come into it when you're braking and navigating a slow speed corner.

 

I had no problem driving my fast car, slowly enough to maintain control.

 

What's your excuse?

 

Same tires. Both AWD. One considerably more difficult to drive than the other.

 

It's not the tires, mate.

[hmmrdwn]

HP doesn't come into it when you're braking and navigating a slow speed corner.

 

Do you think winter tires make you a better driver? Or just so that you can drive faster....and if you drive faster....will you get in an accident? It all still comes back to the driver.

 

People should get winter tires, but understand the paradox that having winter tires doesn't mean they can drive faster in the winter. Winter tires perform better when driven at the same speed as all season tires.

[ssbtech]

I had no problem driving my fast car, slowly enough to maintain control.

 

What's your excuse?

 

Same tires. Both AWD. One considerably more difficult to drive than the other.

 

It's not the tires, mate.

 

It sounds like you've never actually had winter tires on your Subarus.

[TooBigToFit]

This is the way I look at it.

 

Normal, non enthusiast drivers seem to think that Subarus handle better in snow, even with the RE92s. It's a big reason for many who buy Subarus.

 

Then we go onto the LGT forum, a place where enthusiasts gather. Suddenly, Subarus are the worst handling vehicles in the snow ever with stock tires.

 

Therefore I've come to 2 possible explanations.

 

1. We're all expecting our cars to handle like a tank in snowy condition, or otherwise have overly high expectations, especially since most of us are enthusiasts.

2. We all suck at driving in the snow, even more than the average driver.

 

Given that most normal people consider Subarus above average for driving in the snow, I'm leaning towards explanation 1, though explanation 2 is also very possible (nor are they mutually exclusive explanations).

[hadvw]

This is the way I look at it.

 

Normal, non enthusiast drivers seem to think that Subarus handle better in snow, even with the RE92s. It's a big reason for many who buy Subarus.

 

Then we go onto the LGT forum, a place where enthusiasts gather. Suddenly, Subarus are the worst handling vehicles in the snow ever with stock tires.

 

Therefore I've come to 2 possible explanations.

 

1. We're all expecting our cars to handle like a tank in snowy condition, or otherwise have overly high expectations, especially since most of us are enthusiasts.

2. We all suck at driving in the snow, even more than the average driver.

 

Given that most normal people consider Subarus above average for driving in the snow, I'm leaning towards explanation 1, though explanation 2 is also very possible (nor are they mutually exclusive explanations).

 

 

I'm comparing to driving my 250+ hp FWD Corrado with Pilot Alpins regularly in the snow, vs. the few experiences I've had with the LGT on RE92s. Corrado >> LGT for starting, handling, stopping, etc.

 

Mind you, it's only been on 2 occasions with the LGT..

[Toddco]

totally agree the RE 92 are grab tires....that is all we will run on our Baja.....am surprised they did not work well for you.....at first I thought maybe you had Summer treads....I have performance Bridgestones on my Spec B and it was dangerous until I got them changed

[BAC5.2]

I'm comparing to driving my 250+ hp FWD Corrado with Pilot Alpins regularly in the snow, vs. the few experiences I've had with the LGT on RE92s. Corrado >> LGT for starting, handling, stopping, etc.

 

Mind you, it's only been on 2 occasions with the LGT..

 

Practice makes perfect.

[ssbtech]

Practice makes perfect.

 

Sadly not everyone has their own skidpad to practice on until perfect.

 

Most of us wake up to snow, hope in the car and drive to work without any practice. It helps to have good tires when you don't drive lots in the snow.

[BAC5.2]

Sadly not everyone has their own skidpad to practice on until perfect.

 

Most of us wake up to snow, hope in the car and drive to work without any practice. It helps to have good tires when you don't drive lots in the snow.

 

Drive cautiously and practice on the drive home in a parking lot.

 

You aren't going to wing a piano concert if you don't practice, no matter that you are playing a Steinway.

 

If you don know how the car will handle, no tire will save you. Relying on the tire, means you aren't actually improving your driving skill.

 

And your lack of skill, STILL, doesn't make the RE92 a bad tire. Snow tires are, of course, better in the snow. But again, RE92's aren't snow tires.

[mwiener2]

RE92's kill bunnies

[BAC5.2]

Apparently I'm the Yo-Yo Ma of snow driving, then.

 

Now that that's settled, post track pics. Add credit to the Grandma Car rumor.

[ShadowImg]

It sounds like you've never actually had winter tires on your Subarus.

 

Clearly we have no experience driving on low adhesion surfaces in Subarus with proper tires.

 

 

Saying you can't practice is a load of crap. There's lots of programs out there that allow you to learn how to control your vehicle. Worst case scenario? Learn how I learned -- go out at 3AM and drive around for an hour or two while the roads are empty.

 

http://www.streetsurvival.org/

http://www.scca.com/rallycross/