AZP Installs Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I agree with mike, if they rub now they will likely rub afterward. Get the initial situation fixed then move on to modding. We rent a fender roller and are located in NJ, so let us know if you want to borrow/rent it. We also stock Konis if you wanted us to install them if you don't go the DIY w/Mike above. -mike http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: paisan@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | T-1 Certified Amsoil Dealer "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stowny Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I was driving dow the road the other day with a cooler in my trunk headed out to the river for some fishing and the noise got the best of me. I pulled over and ripped the rubber strips off my car. I had no idea how thick they were and that they were reinforced with metal. I had worn down the right side to almost all metal exposed and left side only a small bit of it was showing. Since removing those strips I havent heard a single creeking noise. Im sure that a fender roll should still be done but I dont see a suspension upgrade being a problem after that. I talked to the "state of the art" body shop in the service center of the dealer I work at and the body shop managers looked at me like I was crazy. They didnt know what I was referring to by fender rolling. I went and talked to one of the guys in the body shop and he said sure we can do it. He said they would bend them up with a pipe and a hammer and then sand them down and seal them with an under coating but they wouldnt be responsible for the edges of the fenders buckling or paint cracking. Of course I will not be trusting them with my car. The guy in the shop never heard of or saw a fender rolling tool. AZP whats the cost of renting the tool vs having you guys do it? I am still planning on coming to your shop for the install we talked about a few months ago but things are just a little slow going for automotive sales right now. thanks a bunch. mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 We unfortunately can't roll fenders (our insurance doesn't permit body work) and it's pretty risky because if you don't heat up the paint enough it can crack or if you heat it up too much it can melt. With that said we rent it out for $25 w/$100 deposit. Just let us know and we'll lend it out to you. -mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted April 5, 2011 Author Share Posted April 5, 2011 Using the proper tool is far better than any old school bat, pipe, hammer job. Be patient, use a heat gun (properly) and they work great. Darn rubber liner is the first culprit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I had a local guy with a fender roller and heat gun do it but it still cracked because of the "step" that is in that area where the rubber strip goes as opposed as smooth in the Imprezas. Nothing a trip home and the touch up paint didn't fix. Jammed the paint in there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I rolled mine, I found the trick to be was keep heat gun about 6 - 10 inches away , and touch the metal make sure if hot to the touch. A lil bit more than luke warm, but not enough to burn you. If the metal was cold at all the paint would chip. Have a friend pass the heat gun , back and forth while rolling to avoid any cracks. I had a lil cracking on one side, but barely noticable. Other side came out perfect , once i found the technique, be patient and a friend is a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaskajoel Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 This sounds like an awesome idea Mike--especially for those of us too hesitant to cut stock struts...I'm also terrified of spring compressors since an 'incident' I had 10 years ago:spin: I'm debating between the KYB or the Konis since I don't do any competitive driving--just have blown struts and want a drop via Eibachs or Epic springs. Do you stock KYBs, and if so, offer an assembly service to put Epics on them so all I have to do is bolt them on? Is there really a $500 benefit to Konis vs KYBs if all I do is commute on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted May 7, 2011 Author Share Posted May 7, 2011 If you just commute and dont drive spirited the KYB's are just fine. I have those with Epics on teh 5EAT that my wife drives and she loves it. Yes I have both the Koni and the KYB. Yes, I can assemble either for you. But I will need your OEM as cores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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soloz2 Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 What would be the best option for my 2.5i? It's a DD that I want to handle a bit better. My commute is hilly with lots of corners. I'd like a bit better stance, but want a functional ride height for NY winters so I'm thinking Epic/Eibach springs. If Koni will be the best I can save, but I'm interested in some lower priced alternatives as well. Current: 16 Crosstrek Premium w/ Eyesight & 05 Outback XT 5MT Past Subies: 14 FXT Premium, 14 WRX hatch, 06 Legacy 2.5i SE 5MT, 98 Outback wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxx4k Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 do you have stock fronts set up FS + koni modify in?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted May 8, 2011 Author Share Posted May 8, 2011 KYB is lower priced, but not anywhere near the same as a Koni. It is a stock replacement. My cores are out and I am waiting for them to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxx4k Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Mike can you sell a pair of cores + koni? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted May 8, 2011 Author Share Posted May 8, 2011 If I can round up a set of blown front shocks, dust boots, top hats and washers, then a set of rear top hats, perches and dust boots. Otherwise, I have to buy new. Only have 1 set of cores making the rounds and even then, not all the parts are coming back. Last customer sent no rear dust boots back. So far this service is not working out so well. Between missing core parts and customer misunderstanding about install procedures and suspension operation, it is tough. Much easier when the car is here and I do all the work rather than half the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxx4k Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Ic.... totally understand. I have a set of rear OEM set up, but I lost the fronts so now i'm stuck with no fronts core to do the koni. my other option is to put coilovers on the car but for DD it's harsh when hitting bumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted May 9, 2011 Author Share Posted May 9, 2011 Might be able to score a se from a local member who swapped to coils. Or might find a blown set. I find blown sets every once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyT Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Hi Mike, As you know I will getting the Koni-Epic setup you made me installed this Thursday. My cores will ship to you the following week. Fortunately, the guys who's installing my set understands the Konis very well, so I don't forsee any problems with installation or setup. I understand which parts need to be sent back to you. No worries. The question is, how long should I wait to get the car aligned, or do I get it aligned right away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kongzilla Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Anytime I lower a car, I get an alignment right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73datsun Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 wait a week for it to settle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Hi Mike, The question is, how long should I wait to get the car aligned, or do I get it aligned right away? I typically set the toe to 0* all around and then wait a week or so before setting my camber/toe in order to give the suspension a chance to better settle into it's normal state. That way you don't inordinately wear your tires from the toe being out after install. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 One should wait about 200-300 miles on new springs for them to settle. If you do the alignment as soon as the springs are installed, once it settles your alignment will be off. So unless you have unlimited time and free alignments... I would wait. -mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyT Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Thanks for your input folks. I think I'll do a combination of the advice that SBT and AZP gave; set the toe at zero and wait 200-300 miles. At the rate I drive, however, 200 miles will take me about 2-3 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tito_b0y Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 I just dropped my car off to get aligned, and the tech kinda made me feel uneasy since it was my first time suggesting a custom alignment. I asked to put in 0 toe all around and -.5* (degree) camber all around... 2006 SWP 3.0R 5EAT VDC BBQ 2008 OBP 2.5i 4EAT BBQ [RIP] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 ^ Without some type of rear camber adjustable links, you may have -.5* static camber, but there's no way factory-available way to adjust for pos/neg camber at the rear. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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