The B4 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 looks nice. i wonder if the wing and front lip will be added back for the turbo'ed STI model that will most likely come after the release of the BRZ. although i wish they didn't have to raise the damn car to near truck status. i mean it is a sports car, people will understand if it is lower than usual cars. Engineers stated the exterior of the car was designed around thee hard points for the suspension and chassis. Subaru made the car first, then Toyota skinned it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonwacker Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 although i wish they didn't have to raise the damn car to near truck status. i mean it is a sports car, people will understand if it is lower than usual cars. Don't worry - park this next to a 2010+ Legacy, and the BRZ will look like a GT40. 52in v 59.3in sorry...this forum practically blows goat nuts so im not always on here.Team Pony Express POSTED FROM MY COMPUTER USING A WEB BROWSER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight705 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Engineers stated the exterior of the car was designed around thee hard points for the suspension and chassis. Subaru made the car first, then Toyota skinned it. not sure how that relates to my post? but i meant that maybe subaru will keep the concept styling for a potential STI model, like the wing and the CF front lip, quad exhaust tips(although not really that important and would rather keep the two single tips), and the different rear diffuser [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPeHaDb36PM]ã€ä¸–ç•Œåˆã€‘TOYOTA 86 TESTDRIVEï¼ãƒˆãƒ¨ã‚¿86世界åˆè©¦ä¹— - YouTube[/ame] found a japanese test drive of final production version of the toyota's ft86 (i'm guessing the brz will be similar with just more power?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meltdown07 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I wish it had AWD and a turbo, but maybe next year. Was kind of hoping for a hatch instead of a trunk as well, but oh well. I still want one. Go Cardinals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasopoliS Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I really like it. Favorite Subaru design thus far (I guess it is officially Toyobaru?). Give it some new rims and less gap above the wheels, and possibly a thin lip spoiler, and it will look pretty aggressive. Waiting for some photoshops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05LGTLtd Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Hey where did the fancy brakes go? Wonder if the offset on the wheels will be comparable to AWD Subarus? Looks better with out the wing. I like it. All I need now is a hill holder and a center passing light... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 The Brembos were on the STi Concept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Dagwood Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I still don't really know what to make of this thing. All I can think is...it's going to have to be very, VERY good considering where it slots into the market. Not sure it can work as a DD for most people - look how much smaller it is than a genesis coupe. Also, considering its low weight and (relatively) low power, it seems more of a miata rival than anything else. The handling better be nothing short of mind-blowing. And a convertible seems even more necessary than I'd thought. I just hope it doesn't become nothing more than modify-me-for-a-track-toy-or-to-compete-in-drift-competitions model. ...or a ricer magnet, for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Well, I think it can become many things. It certainly needs a higher-powered variant. I think a turbo version with ~280hp is inevitable in 1-2 years. Although I think I'd prefer a supercharger. I think the car will become great platform for engine swaps (LSx). The only think I am not super happy about is the stock weight distribution (53/47). Not too great and I wish the engine was moved further behind the wheels, even if it meant losing the rear seats (impractical anyway). With bigger engines the ratio can only become worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithAkaMrak Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 horsepower per ton (U.S.), starting price, fuel economy: Genesis Coupe 2.0T: 127.5, $23.1k, 21/30 Miata (hard top): 128.8, $28.7k, 21/28 Miata (soft top): 134.7, $25.1k, 22/28 Cooper S (coupe): 135.1, $25.3k, 27/35 Civic Si (coupe): 139.7, $23k, 22/31 128i (coupe): 143.4, $31.9k, 18/28 BRZ: 148.8, $28k?, ? Legacy 2.5GT Limited: 152.2, $32,3k, 18/25 WRX (sedan): 165.2, $26.3k, 19/25 Legacy 2.5i: 103.9, $20.7k, 19/27 (manual) Impreza 2.0i (sedan): 101.7, $18.2k, 25/34 (manual) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmanaenk Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 ^ is you're comparing RWD and AWD at least do HP@Wheels/ton That way BRZ has more than WRX. 666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stang70Fastback Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 That's a nice simple way of summing things up, though. Everyone is complaining about how "underpowered" these cars will be, but the simple fact of the matter is that it has a LOT of power for the size. The problem today is that we are in the middle of another horsepower war, between all the exotic cars getting 600+ HP and all the regular sedans having 300+ HP models, this 200 HP doesn't sound like a lot. HOWEVER, people have to remember that EVERYTHING these days weighs nineteen-bajillion tonnes. This car weighs like 600 lbs LESS than a Genesis Coupe. That's more than 1/6th the weight shaved off. That's a HUGE difference. Stop looking at the raw numbers, and start looking at how those numbers add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Of course the weight matters. But it's power/weight ratio while good is not super impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadvw Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 horsepower per ton (U.S.), starting price, fuel economy: Genesis Coupe 2.0T: 127.5, $23.1k, 21/30 BRZ: 148.8, $28k?, ? Genesis Coupe 2.0T w/ new 274 hp Sonata engine (announced for 2013): 166.4, $23-24K(?) Genesis Coupe 3.8 w/ existing 306 hp engine: 180.6, $27-28K Genesis Coupe 3.8 w/ announced 345 hp engine: 203.6, $28-29K(?) 370z base: 204.6, $31K (assumptions: changing the genesis engines won't affect weight by much, so I used existing weights) Sure, the Genesis is one year further from availability than the BRZ in theory. But, when do you think you'll actually be able to buy a new BRZ? End of next year? At that point, the 2013 Genesis coupes should be here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShrinerMonkey Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 The Genesis coupe only looks like a competitor on paper when you only look at HP/ton. In reality the BRZ will most likely be a much more sporty car with better handling. The Genesis coupe is really a grand tourer and not a sports car like the BRZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vr4Legacy Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I like the back end... is the 3rd taillight in between the exhaust tips? Behind that mesh? If so that would be pretty nice, although I think US law requires a 3rd tail to be above the taillights.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacy360 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Lots of hi-res pictures here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2461 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsunami Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjoe Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I like the back end... is the 3rd taillight in between the exhaust tips? Behind that mesh? If so that would be pretty nice, although I think US law requires a 3rd tail to be above the taillights.... From pictures it looks like the third taillight is in the bottom of the rear windshield. I'm guessing the red triangle at the bottom of the bumper is just a reflector similar to that of the 07-09 Legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsunami Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 And I Really like that matte white to, that is amazing. I would take one in the new WRB or that white color. Looking at the engine bay, I'm not sure where a turbo would fit. Looks pretty tight in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Dagwood Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 anybody else think the next-gen wrx (or maybe just the sti) will get a pumped-up version of the brz powerplant instead of a pumped-up version of what's in the NA imprezas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 it looks like the car will really benefit from a proper set of headers. http://www.ft86club.com/wallpapers/brztokyolive/IMG_5938.JPG Looking at the engine bay, I'm not sure where a turbo would fit. Looks pretty tight in there. I'd say a 10+ LGT style turbo setup would work with the right engine specs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbc84 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Was considering it, but looks like itll have the same amt of power as the Scion version. I'll wait for the turbo version if it ever comes out, if they could put AWD on it at the same time it would be perfect. And looking at that motor, I dont know if I like the upside down oil filter, cant prefill it and looks like it might make a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I'd say a 10+ LGT style turbo setup would work with the right engine specs when you're right...you're right! http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a383/Kostamojen/IMG_6048.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a383/Kostamojen/IMG_6049.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjoe Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 DIT - 1.6 Could that stand for a 1.6L direct injected turbo? Oh boy... I was planning on test driving the BRZ when it comes out and then waiting a year for some to pop up on the used market but if there's a turbo in the works then I'm all sorts of thrown off now. At least with my planned time frame of about 1.5 years until I would possible swap from the LGT (given that the test drive goes well), I can see what develops in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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