ClimberDHexMods Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 It should reach your goals, but at a much lower price point, w/ less stuff to buy. One thing that sucks the most about this... I'm not alone in feeling like a complete idiot for not being able to think of a way to simplify and improve existing turbos... One of those things where you're like "oh that's it? Why didn't I think of that?" lame... Makes me want to fly out to Arizona right now... [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgeracer Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 You know the deal LBGT...show us the datalogs when these new turbos come out... "Gimme mines Balboa...Gimme mines".....Clubber Lang - Mr. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted September 15, 2010 Author Share Posted September 15, 2010 You know the deal LBGT...show us the datalogs when these new turbos come out... Trust me, if I can get a hold of one, I can guarantee part of the deal will be extensive write-ups. Good thing my work is slowing down in a few weeks. Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Trust me, if I can get a hold of one I don't get the impression you will have the slightest problem getting one of the first ones... trouble is whether you're willing to test an STI-fitment kit on an LGT... and I hope you are if that issue does come up. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted September 15, 2010 Author Share Posted September 15, 2010 I don't get the impression you will have the slightest problem getting one of the first ones... trouble is whether you're willing to test an STI-fitment kit on an LGT... and I hope you are if that issue does come up. One design will fit stock UP TTBOMK (obviously will work better w/ FR 1.5 kit). My FMIC is for an STI fitment turbo, so it should be a bolt up affair, just not sure how he is doing the oil/coolant lines. Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Hmmm. If it uses stock up... does it use stock down? I want STi fitment. Its what I use now. Oil and coolant lines can be re-routed. Whats the ETA? Where do I sign up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted September 15, 2010 Author Share Posted September 15, 2010 Hmmm. If it uses stock up... does it use stock down? I want STi fitment. Its what I use now. Oil and coolant lines can be re-routed. Whats the ETA? Where do I sign up? Different DP, I can't wait for you guys to see the pics!!!!!!!!!!! Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 I finally got around to tuning my ID1000s on my car w/ FP68HTA turbo (ported turbine housing) -Perrin ELH -TBE, catless -TGV, APS inlet -FMIC In -9F IAT I saw a max of 4.82 volts with my KSTech 73mm CAI With ID1000s that required 89% IDC to keep AFR at 11:1 Incidentally (why I know the ID1000s don't flow 1000cc at 43.5 psi) I used their latency and a scalar of 930 cc/min and that puts me at 440 g/s of airflow, but with the MAF IAT comp it comes down to 418 or so. I think the scalar should be closer to 880 or so if it were to compare with my DW 740 cc/min injectors, also this was on E10 gas, so I think I was actually flowing more like 380 g/s of air. In the same conditions a VF__ turbo flow about 330 g/s, maybe 340 g/s (more like 280 in the summer) using the same WBO2 I have (PLX). The 68HTA spools the same as a VF__ turbo but makes about 30 more whp, maybe 40 more. For those that say you should push the boost higher, well at 18 psi at 6000 rpm I was pushing 418 g/s, the turbo started creeping in 4th and 5th and at 20 psi at 6000 rpm I was flowing exactly the same. (FWIW I had the exact same thing, albeit at much reduced airflow levels, in the summer with an EWG). Ported housing only seemed to help with creep when the temps are above 0F, below 0 and I am still screwed, guess I need an 8cm housing. So for me, on my car, 21 psi tapering to 18 is the ticket for this turbo. 800 feet elevation high atmospheric pressure making it seem like 140 feet elevation Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Just got my 8cm housing from BNR. It is on the turbo. Now I need to get it all together and go testing with the DW 1000cc's I have. For a comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 So due to the efficiency you were flowing the same at 18 PSI as 20 PSI past 6000 rpm? What AVCS numbers are you running in that range? Also, with E10 you should adjust your flow scalar appropriately. 1015*(14.13/14.7)=975.64 http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv19/levenussupremus/Subarubreakpoints.jpg -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 In -9F IAT I saw a max of 4.82 volts with my KSTech 73mm CAI With ID1000s that required 89% IDC to keep AFR at 11:1 Love info like that. And holy crap man.. you're making some power! My '05 LGT My '07 Supercharged Shelby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 yeah didn't expect to see a fairly high IDC like that on pump gas.. hehe cold weather ftw -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 So due to the efficiency you were flowing the same at 18 PSI as 20 PSI past 6000 rpm? What AVCS numbers are you running in that range? Also, with E10 you should adjust your flow scalar appropriately. 1015*(14.13/14.7)=975.64 http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv19/levenussupremus/Subarubreakpoints.jpg AVCS is 0 above 5200 rpm. I tried up to 15, but it showed little difference. My scalar is at 930, and in reality should probably be at 880 or so. There is no way I am flowing over 400 g/s of air, but with a scalar of 930 that is what the ECU thinks it is flowing to get the correct AFR. Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Love info like that. And holy crap man.. you're making some power! It is pretty cold, and it is hard to get good data when it is that cold. I only do it if car is from garage so that diffs tranny are warm. Don't need to take out one of them. In the summer I think I only hit about 4.68 volts or so. Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 So due to the efficiency you were flowing the same at 18 PSI as 20 PSI past 6000 rpm? Missed that. Yes, if anything I sometimes flow a few g/s less at 20 psi at 6000 rpm then I do at 18 psi. I have tested this numerous times, w/ and w/o EWG. Just to clarify, my APS inlet and TGV deletes I did on my AVO380 showed that I was about 1.5 psi less, but the same flow. When I had EWG on the AVO380 I tried upping the boost some more, but also saw no more airflow. That being said, I do have a theory. Some people seem to get very good flow out of their 68HTA at higher boost levels. I believe that this turbo probably is more efficient at higher PRs, kinda like one of these BW comp maps (not 68hta): http://www.full-race.com/store/images/full/borgwarner-efr-7064-turbo-content-1.jpg As you can see on that comp map, with our 2.5 liter cars at sea level you will not flow 56 lbs/min, as at 25 psi your PR will be about 2.8 (accounting a little bit of IC pressure loss). To get the most out of this turbo you need to be at about 3.4 PR. This won't happen with the VE of this motor at sea level. BUT, if you have OEM manifolds, and few other restrictions, and you are at 5500 feet, then the turbo will naturally fall into the above 3.2 PR, and will be ideal. Sure you won't flow 56 lb/min (cause you are not at standard atmospheric conditions at 5500 feet) but your PR will be in the sweet spot. This may be why a 20g makes more power then a 68hta at sea level, but a 68hta at 5500 feet give up very little. We really need a BW matchbot for all turbos, then the physics will be apparent. Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Just got my 8cm housing from BNR. It is on the turbo. Now I need to get it all together and go testing with the DW 1000cc's I have. For a comparison. How much $$$? Was it a Mitsu 8cm housing or did he machine something from an 8cm IHI? Me wants 8cm too (with internal gate) [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Has internal gate. I am not familiar with the numbers on it. I was going to ask Bryan what it came from. I need to buy or fab a bracket to hold the WG closed. But it was $200 delivered. I dont think it was a "special" price. I just called and asked for it. Not as a wholesale purchase. Told him it was for me and I would pay. He said to give him a few weeks and sure enough it showed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Great post, LBGT. That's intriguing regarding HTA68 vs 20G at sea level and then again at altitude. Good stuff. My '05 LGT My '07 Supercharged Shelby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Great post, LBGT. That's intriguing regarding HTA68 vs 20G at sea level and then again at altitude. Good stuff. Have you spent time w/ matchbot, and watched the 4 vids? If not I strongly suggest you do. If you are at all an engineer, and want to understand the dynamics of turbos more then you ever have before, this will do it. Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Have you spent time w/ matchbot, and watched the 4 vids? If not I strongly suggest you do. If you are at all an engineer, and want to understand the dynamics of turbos more then you ever have before, this will do it. sweet I need to check this out more closely. Thanks for the info about your boost levels and results. I'll have to experiment with tapering my 20G -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dschultz Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I finally got around to tuning my ID1000s on my car w/ FP68HTA turbo (ported turbine housing) -Perrin ELH -TBE, catless -TGV, APS inlet -FMIC In -9F IAT I saw a max of 4.82 volts with my KSTech 73mm CAI Was this MAF sensor voltage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Was this MAF sensor voltage? Of course. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 Was this MAF sensor voltage? Yes actual voltage. Keep in mind that the 04-06 cars (TTBOMK) have a MAF IAT comp table. So at like -20F it subtracts 5% of MAF g/s, in other words, the sensor reads a couple hundreds high at low temps. That being said, I was hitting much less in the summer, and I actually had to add another value in my MAF scaling table, as I only had it going to 4.81 volts, didn't think I would need more then that. What would happen if I did WOT stuff at -40F:eek: Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spec B Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 In the same conditions a VF__ turbo flow about 330 g/s, maybe 340 g/s (more like 280 in the summer) using the same WBO2 I have (PLX). Not sure I am following. There is no stock Vf that I know of that can flow 330+? I hit 315 g/sec at best in the cold with my vf43. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 Not sure I am following. There is no stock Vf that I know of that can flow 330+? I hit 315 g/sec at best in the cold with my vf43. How cold was it when you hit 315? Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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