BOY Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 Question to Jon[in CT]: Why are you using HP numbers if torque is more important for the feel of the fast. Acura MDX 3.5L 253HP 250FTLB at 3500 4471LB BMW X3 3.0L 225HP 214FTLB at 3500 4023LB Lexus RX 330 3.3L 223HP 238FTLB at 3600 4065LB Subaru B9 3.0L 250HP 219FTLB at 4200!!! 4155LB Volvo XC90 3.2L 236HP 4464LB VW Tuareg 3.2L 240HP 229FTLB at 3200 5086LB this must be slow I did not find data for Volvo 6 cylinder only 2.5T (I think 5 cyl) and V8. It looks like Subaru H6 is wrong engine for Tribeca. Or it is improperly tuned. It is Legacy engine and tuned accordingly. For Tribeca it could have lower HP but Max torque should be available earlier. Krzys I'm missing your argument. The Tribeca is tuned for high-end performance much like a Honda/Acura VTEC and really is impressive considering its small displacement. Are you saying that you think bumping the torque by 10 lb-ft but reducing the power would make it a better performer? Remember, the B9 is a crossover vehicle in its truest sense... it is a car based midsized "SUV" that has a higher revving sporty feeling motor. Most customers who are avoiding the SUV comment very well on the non-truck-like feel of the H6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 Hmmm... wonder what the spec.B prices are like for the first buyers right now? Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator GT Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 Hmmm... wonder what the spec.B prices are like for the first buyers right now? +1 "If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed." - T. Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostamojen Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 I'm missing your argument His point is... It needs more torque I tend to agree with that in terms of the tribeca. However, I really do like the EZ30R motor though, its almost as good as porsche flat 6's in terms of HP/displacement. I wish it we had the 6-speed version EZ30R like the rest of the world gets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfxdave99 Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 Can we rename this the subaru is shooting itself in the foot thread? If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough. - Mario Andretti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallysquirrel Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I went in looking to place an order and Subaru Distribution Corp (SDC) has not yet released pricing, hence I cannot make a deal with the dealer. The pricing we all have from Joe Spitz's website is from SoA. :(I was never aware of the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon in CT Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Dealers in NY don't yet know the price of the 2007 Legacy spec.B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 ^Does NY and SDC lack the use of the ability to use the internet? Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt_ltd Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 276HP/253Lb-Ft JDM Spec.B Tuned-by-STi 5MT Sedan's MSRP = 3,780,000 YEN = US$32,794.61 SUBARU|LEGACY tuned by STI This Space For Rent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacky Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 That price is for the 5-speed, which the USDM won't have. The last time I asked a dealer about the pricing (last week) they didn't have an official number yet either. Wacky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostamojen Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 That price is for the 5-speed, which the USDM won't have. The last time I asked a dealer about the pricing (last week) they didn't have an official number yet either. Dont ask the retarded regular salesmen Your best bet is probably the dealer internet sales rep... At least If they have a clue as to how to use Subarunet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt_ltd Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 That price is for the 5-speed, which the USDM won't have. Prices for the new 6MT JDM Tuned-by-STi will be available soon. I bet it will still be cheaper than USDM version which comes with less/weaker toys/parts. This Space For Rent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallysquirrel Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 ;707833']Dealers in NY don't yet know the price of the 2007 Legacy spec.B? They had just gotten the Tribeca pricing about a week ago. I found it weird too that they didn't have the pricing on the Legacy, only Forester and B9. I wonder if the pricing differs at all from SoA pricing in the end. Someone want to chime in how it's been in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostamojen Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 They had just gotten the Tribeca pricing about a week ago. I found it weird too that they didn't have the pricing on the Legacy, only Forester and B9. I wonder if the pricing differs at all from SoA pricing in the end. Someone want to chime in how it's been in the past. Seriously, any dealership can access that info online... Its their fault for being too stupid to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOY Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Pricing info???? I have everything but Imprezas ON THE GROUND, sounds like you need a new dealership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt_ltd Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 That price is for the 5-speed, which the USDM won't have. 07 JDM Legacy Tuned-by-STi prices 3,979,500 YEN = 34,645.91 USD, not sure if it comes with GPS Navi or not. (1 JPY = 0.00870610 USD right now) This Space For Rent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
je24 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I was on vacation and am catching up with this thread. I have an 05 LGT Limited wagon 5EAT and had a 5 MT WRX before that. One item that caught my interest is the discussion of no color choices for the Spec B, along with other comments about Subaru being very safe vehicles. Color choice is a factor in the safety of a vehicle, from a visibility standpoint. Gray would not be my choice since it does not standout as well as other colors. I am interested in a Spec B, but only if it can address the current issues with my 05 LGT. First is the suspension, or actually the amount of body roll. When I went from my WRX to the LGT, I thought it was a major improvement, but after having it for a while, I realized the body roll is more than I would like. The other issue is power - I would not mind paying more for a Spec B, but only if it had more power. Also, I really think it could use wider tires. I am hoping the 08 model will address those issues. If not, I will need to look elsewhere (or possibly a WRX STI, but after living with a WRX I do not want to have less refinement than a Legacy). I know there may be replies that I can fix the issues I mentioned. Yes, that is true, but as other posts have mentioned when paying $31K+ for a car I really do not want to pay more to change things and then worry about how the dealer/subaru will handle the warranty (especially from engine mods, since I now hear that the dealers may be able to detect Accessports), in addition to any liability issues that may occur if you are in an accident and they find that you altered the engine to add more power (and therefore made the car operate outside the manufacturers specs) - insurance companies and lawyers would like any loophole they could get (and I am not trying to flame those two groups, I am just saying they would not be doing their job if they did not look for those types of things). Anyway, that may have been a little off-topic, but for me to stay with Subaru and look at a Spec B, it would need more power (than a standard LGT), less body roll and other color choices for same/less than the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andr00 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Hmmm... wonder what the spec.B prices are like for the first buyers right now? feh, my dealer is asking for list... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallysquirrel Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 andr00 where is this dealer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andr00 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 andr00 where is this dealer? I asked Concordville in southeast PA what kind of prices I could expect for a model equipped with autodim/homelink and the response I got was: "As for pricing you can expect the list price!" Still waiting to hear from Welsh, I'll update when I get word from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbonus Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I know there may be replies that I can fix the issues I mentioned. Yes, that is true, but as other posts have mentioned when paying $31K+ for a car I really do not want to pay more to change things ..... Anyway, that may have been a little off-topic, but for me to stay with Subaru and look at a Spec B, it would need more power (than a standard LGT), less body roll and other color choices for same/less than the competition. January 2007 - Detroit Auto Show should answer some if not all of your questions as that is when the Legacy facelift is supposed to be unveiled. Anything you hear before then will just be speculation. From what I understand, body roll is a fairly simple fix on the current spec b with some aftermarket anti sway bars. Athough I do agree that aftermarket parts should not be required on a $35k car especially considering that many of the parts are factory standard on JDM vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borti Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I have a friend in Eugene, Oregon (I am in Portland right now) that works in a Toyota dealership. The owner of the dealership also owns a Subaru dealership. He told me that the owner recieved his 07 spec-B yesterday and has it on the lot. It is not for sale (owner wanted it of course), but I will try and get pictures of it when I head down later today. It is good to know that the Spec-B is here and more are starting to come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostamojen Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I just heard there was one of the prototype SPT intakes on the '07 Spec-B at the Ride 'n Drive... I doubt it comes on the car stock though, but I did think that was odd when I heard it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallysquirrel Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Fitzgerald Auto Malls | All vehicles have discounted, full delivered, no haggle prices! Fitzgerald Auto Mall has one as of today. No price is given though. Just says to call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Yah... no-haggle prices... call to find out. Hehehehehe.... notice it does not say that they won't stick it to you on the price, just that they won't haggle on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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