soloz2 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I picked up a length of copper tubing bent it at a 90degree angle and pinched the end. Works perfectly. Current: 16 Crosstrek Premium w/ Eyesight & 05 Outback XT 5MT Past Subies: 14 FXT Premium, 14 WRX hatch, 06 Legacy 2.5i SE 5MT, 98 Outback wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordchilly Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 thats what i was thinking.....i will try that. Copper is easy to pinch and strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 thats what i was thinking.....i will try that. Copper is easy to pinch and strong. Nice. That is a good idea! -mike http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg Call directly for your best Whiteline Price! | We also carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: paisan@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin case Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 So I haven't read through the entire thread but I know there's an acceptable amount to cut off the stock strut body. I bought my car with koni's installed so I have no idea who did the install or if it was cut in the correct spot. I never seemed to see what problems you would have if you cut too much off the stock body. Will there be noises? I've got a clunking noise over small bumps that I'm starting to think is tied to the struts. I checked the bolts that hold the insert in awhile ago and both seemed tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 If you cut the stock strut bodies too low (too close to the perch) then the insert nubs won't be snugged into the hollowed out body. This will cause a bad clunking and eventually will destroy the inserts. You can tell if they were cut too short if you remove them and check the inserts just above the cut and see if the nubs are exposed, if they are then you need new shock bodies to insert your koni inserts into. -mike http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: paisan@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin case Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Ahh thank you,maybe that's my problem. So really if they're cut too short if i moved the little rubber sleeve on them I might be able to see the nubs? I'm thinking this is probably it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Ahh thank you,maybe that's my problem. So really if they're cut too short if i moved the little rubber sleeve on them I might be able to see the nubs? I'm thinking this is probably it. Yuppers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred_Buchi Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Too many Koni threads so I'll just ask here. Any reason to only use 1/2 turn increments on these things? I'm used to coilovers with notable clicks so with these it's kind of hard to be totally sure I'm at exactly a half turn or a full turn. Obviously I'm trying to be as close as possible to be consistent but if I'm a fraction of a turn off is it a big deal? If I turn out to like the feel of 1.25 turns from full hard is that fine or should I really stick to .5 turns, 1 turn, 1.5 turns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadvw Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Too many Koni threads so I'll just ask here. Any reason to only use 1/2 turn increments on these things? I'm used to coilovers with notable clicks so with these it's kind of hard to be totally sure I'm at exactly a half turn or a full turn. Obviously I'm trying to be as close as possible to be consistent but if I'm a fraction of a turn off is it a big deal? If I turn out to like the feel of 1.25 turns from full hard is that fine or should I really stick to .5 turns, 1 turn, 1.5 turns? I think 1/2 turn is just a convenient increment to give you something like 5 settings (0, 0.5, 1, 1.5, 2.0). Or, 1/4 turns give you 9 settings. You can adjust these any way you like - there's no requirement to ONLY use 1/2 turns or something.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteyjr Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 I agree, just convenient to do in 1/2 turns. Its fun to play around with different settings. Just when you think you got it right you can tweak it and find something different and better. Recently did a 1/2 turn stiffer up front and got a way different ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suti Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 You will need LGT front cores to put the koni inserts into. They dont fit inside the OB front housings as they are longer. Mike KONI inserts dosen`t fit, because OB struts are too long? How about make spacer bottom of the strut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 KONI inserts dosen`t fit, because OB struts are too long? How about make spacer bottom of the strut? The problem is 2 fold. If you make a spacer to bolt the bolt into and then into the insert, the front will be "normal" OB height, and the rear will be at Koni height. So you would then need a spacer (a significant one) to make the car sit level. -Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg%5Dhttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokedoutv6 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 if you're cutting the ob struts wouldnt you just have to cut it shorter than on the lgt? meaning if the koni instructions say cut of 1 inch couldnt you just cut the ob strut say an inch and a half? not exact numbers just using this as an example. i'm sure azp has done many more installs than i so no offense intended, just curious. (btw i'm on konis, installed on lgt struts though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 if you're cutting the ob struts wouldnt you just have to cut it shorter than on the lgt? meaning if the koni instructions say cut of 1 inch couldnt you just cut the ob strut say an inch and a half? not exact numbers just using this as an example. i'm sure azp has done many more installs than i so no offense intended, just curious. (btw i'm on konis, installed on lgt struts though) No offense taken. I love to have these discussions. Let's say on an obxt, the perch is normally located 10" from the center of the hub in the front and 8" from the center of the hub in the rear. On a LGT these numbers may be 8" up front and 6" in the rear. Since the konis are setup for the LGT the distance would be just about 6" in the rear to the perch, now on the insert in the front, the hub to perch distance would remain the same if you reuse the obxt housing so that would still be 10". This would make you have a really saggy butt! Additionally, you can't cut the strut body any lower, because the perch is higher up the body on the obxt, so you can't cut any lower. We actually attempted this once back in 05 on an obxt and in the end had to get LGT housings for the front to make it work. On older OB/LGTs the perch distances were the same so you could do that, but not on the more recent generations. -mike http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.2971 | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokedoutv6 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 No offense taken. I love to have these discussions. Let's say on an obxt, the perch is normally located 10" from the center of the hub in the front and 8" from the center of the hub in the rear. On a LGT these numbers may be 8" up front and 6" in the rear. Since the konis are setup for the LGT the distance would be just about 6" in the rear to the perch, now on the insert in the front, the hub to perch distance would remain the same if you reuse the obxt housing so that would still be 10". This would make you have a really saggy butt! Additionally, you can't cut the strut body any lower, because the perch is higher up the body on the obxt, so you can't cut any lower. We actually attempted this once back in 05 on an obxt and in the end had to get LGT housings for the front to make it work. On older OB/LGTs the perch distances were the same so you could do that, but not on the more recent generations. -mike That makes perfect sense, I was (for some reason) not taking the spring perch into account. somehow i was thinking of just the strut body perchless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suti Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 That makes perfect sense, I was (for some reason) not taking the spring perch into account. somehow i was thinking of just the strut body perchless. Front of my OB are Legacy einbach lowering springs. Suspension in travel are more shorter than out travel. Front is 30mm lower than original. Hub to fender arch, 395mm My plan: Front, Koni inserts and somekind spacer under inserts. Because longer OB struts i can adjust inserts lower and that give me more equal suspension in- and out travel. Rear: Koni shocks and heavy duty cargo springs and saggy butt spacers. I try to get it 30mm higher than legacy (20-30mm lower than OB) Now hub to fender arch 410mm. Orginal edm selfleveling suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shu Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Has anyone ever tried installing the front inserts into a set of 08+ STI shock bodies? The insert is removable in the STI shock and I know they bolt right up to a Legacy. I have a set sitting around, so I may give it a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Has anyone ever tried installing the front inserts into a set of 08+ STI shock bodies? The insert is removable in the STI shock and I know they bolt right up to a Legacy. I have a set sitting around, so I may give it a go. The lower knuckle size should be different on the STi to the LGT/WRX. The diameter of the tube where the insert goes is also not correct for the inserts. There is no insert that goes in the STi strut bodies 100%. Give it a try though and let us know the results. -Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg%5Dhttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shu Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I'm almost 100% sure the 08+ strut bodies are a direct bolt-on, but you're probably right about the diameter of the tube. I'll give it a shot and report back. The lower knuckle size should be different on the STi to the LGT/WRX. The diameter of the tube where the insert goes is also not correct for the inserts. There is no insert that goes in the STi strut bodies 100%. Give it a try though and let us know the results. -Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg%5Dhttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I'm almost 100% sure the 08+ strut bodies are a direct bolt-on, but you're probably right about the diameter of the tube. I'll give it a shot and report back. The WRX may be a bolt on but probably not the STi. Also like the Outback issue, the perch on the WRX or STi Units may be in a different place in relation to the center of the hub. -mike http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: paisan@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suti Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 STI struts need some modification, like this http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/f70/08-sti-struts-09-fxt-65674/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorLGT Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Has anybody done the following setup; Koni's with Stock Rear Springs + Epic Front Springs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred_Buchi Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Never read about anyone doing that. What would your goal be with that? If ride height is concern spacers are an easy solution. I imagine you'd end up with some pretty bad understeer with that setup. I've never seen anyone recommending completely different springs front and rear, just different spring rates from the same spring set. They come in a set of 4 anyway, how would you end up with two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorLGT Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 My current setup is stock struts with only tein h-techs in the front and stock springs in the rear. No real complaints of understear. From all the good things I hear about koni's I wanna get them, but I'm looking fir the most comfortable ride while reducing that front wheel gap. I don't mind the gap in the back especially when i have passengers in the back, but the front struts are dead. I'm sick of telling/warning people that there is a bump /pothole coming up and its gunna feel like we hit a rock. Basically. Less front wheel gap and more cushy ride is what I'm looking fot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesA Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Less front wheel gap and more cushy ride is what I'm looking fot Konis are adjustable. I think you'll like them. On the softest setting, the ride firmness is about the same as stock, just better controlled. On the harder settings, the ride becomes very, very firm. The softest setting is intended to match with the stock spring rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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