Tigger73's MY15 2.5i

[tigger73]

what would be a possible time frame from part out to pick up of your new ride? if the time allowed I would save a little more for shipping cost of the exhaust. you are running dual exhaust correct?

 

Currently I'm looking at selling the car complete as-is. I'd consider parting out if I'm getting no interest and need to drop my price to shift it. At the moment it is the cheapest Gen6 Liberty/Legacy being advertised Australia-wide (but also the highest km). The mods may work against it in some buyers eyes - hence the reason to return to stock to appeal to a wider market.

 

I haven't priced up what it's going to cost to get a workshop to change back to the stock exhaust yet but it's going to be a few hundred $ I imagine. I'd be chasing AUD$1,000 (US$750) plus shipping costs for the complete system (headers, mid-pipe and dual exit sports mufflers, tips). I have not confirmed direct bolt-on / bolt-off fitment between JDM spec and US-spec Legacy in terms of locations of mount points for the exhaust. You will also need a hangar welded on the right rear to hold the second muffler/tip.

 

I could imagine that freight of the system could end up similar price to the parts themselves if I'm shipping to the US. You'd then probably be better off getting a system fabricated locally as I have done. That way you will have no problems with fitment either.

 

In reality the best outcome for me would be to have a local buy the system and get both cars in the workshop at same time and swap systems between both cars.

[ripstik]

Here's the new car. It's a Scirocco R which runs the same engine as Golf R - 2.0 turbo which outputs 188kW/252hp in stock form.

 

that is awesome!

[tigger73]

Well I'm selling my car and going to part it out to get it moved. Following parts are coming off the car and are available now/by the end of the week:

 

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• 20mm rear sway bar + bushings - $120
  
• STI 18 x 8.5 ET50 rims + Bridgestone RE003 245/45R18 tires (80%) - $1,000
  
• Custom exhaust including 2 1/2" mid-pipe, high flow cat, high flow headers - $800
  
• Hella Sharptones (sold pending payment)
  
• 316mm front brakes - rotors, calipers and intima SS pads (50%) - $300
  
• STI gear shifter - $150
  
• Diode Dynamics C-LED - (sold)
  

Edited April 28, 2017 by tigger73

[tigger73]

A few final shots (back to stock):

 

 

 

 

 

[Brisvegas]

A few final shots (back to stock):

 

Mate, that's one smooth shiny beast

[tigger73]

Mate, that's one smooth shiny beast

 

 

 

Hopefully it's someone else's smooth shiny beast shortly

 

 

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[15LegacyRyan]

A few final shots (back to stock):

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's sad to see you go. Thank you for all you have contributed in your time with the Legacy!

 

 

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[3.0R-AUS]

It's sad to see you go. Thank you for all you have contributed in your time with the Legacy!

 

Seconded!

[andrew_l_s]

It's sad to see you go. Thank you for all you have contributed in your time with the Legacy!

 

 

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...especially in the tuning department!

[tigger73]

Car got sold tonight. New owner will be picking it up later in the week.

 

It's been fun, frustrating at times and met a bunch of new people both on-line and off who I now call my friends.

 

Thanks for sharing the journey and who knows our paths may cross again in Gen7 or maybe Gen 8

[leolfds]

Thank you for all you contributed. Hope you can still stick around and share a occasionally post or comnent. Enjoy your new ride and good luck!

[3.0R-AUS]

Car got sold tonight. New owner will be picking it up later in the week.

 

It's been fun, frustrating at times and met a bunch of new people both on-line and off who I now call my friends.

 

Thanks for sharing the journey and who knows our paths may cross again in Gen7 or maybe Gen 8

 

New owner is very lucky given how you take care of your vehicle! Plus it is unique, too.

[Brisvegas]

Car got sold tonight. New owner will be picking it up later in the week.

 

It's been fun, frustrating at times and met a bunch of new people both on-line and off who I now call my friends.

 

Thanks for sharing the journey and who knows our paths may cross again in Gen7 or maybe Gen 8

 

Good Luck mate. (Unless you have already done so and I have missed it, I'd like to see a review/comparison between the new wheels and the Liberty at some stage if you get time)

[tigger73]

Good Luck mate. (Unless you have already done so and I have missed it, I'd like to see a review/comparison between the new wheels and the Liberty at some stage if you get time)

 

Thanks. Here's the comparison dyno charts between the Scirocco with stage 1 tune and Liberty 2.5 with headers and tune.

 

Green = Scirocco R

 

Blue = Subaru Liberty 2.5i

 

http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=248881&stc=1&d=1494251581

 

I don't think you can compare the 2 cars.

 

Scirocco has 2 x more power and weighs less so goes like a rocket. I haven't had the chance to take it up into the hills yet, however it pretty much sticks like glue to the road due to low ride height and wide track. The main problem is maintaining traction as it's FWD so quite easy to spin wheels in 1st, 2nd and 3r gears.

[TruNoLies]

Car got sold tonight. New owner will be picking it up later in the week.

 

It's been fun, frustrating at times and met a bunch of new people both on-line and off who I now call my friends.

 

Thanks for sharing the journey and who knows our paths may cross again in Gen7 or maybe Gen 8

 

Nice, keep progressing and staying real. Thanks for accepting and helping me.

[upstater]

Thanks. Here's the comparison dyno charts between the Scirocco with stage 1 tune and Liberty 2.5 with headers and tune.

 

I don't think you can compare the 2 cars.

 

apples to oranges, compare it to a WRX that also has a 2.0 Turbo

[tigger73]

apples to oranges, compare it to a WRX that also has a 2.0 Turbo

 

Yes I also looked at WRX/Levorg as options, however for me if I was going to go for a less practical car I figured I may as well go the whole way

 

Also the interior of the VW is so much nicer place to sit than a base model WRX which is what was in my budget and the WRX still doesn't come with eyesight and has the CVT as auto option.

 

I think the new WRX when it is released late this year will probably fix a number of these issues, however it would have meant waiting for another 9-12 months and by that time my Liberty would have been out of warranty and over 100,000km on the odometer which would make it a lot less desirable as a trade-in or selling privately.

 

WRX premium is better but still a step down in terms of interior trims/hard plastic surfaces compared to the Liberty/Legacy but also added $5k to the price.

 

Levorg was vetoed by my wife as she has a particular aversion to station wagons.

Edited May 8, 2017 by tigger73

[upstater]

Levorg in the states would probably be a hit, but they probably need to change the name.

[tigger73]

Still got a couple of bits for sale (exhaust system and front brake rotors). See for sale post here: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/fs-australia-gen6-2-5i-headers-exaust-3-6r-brake-261727.html?t=261727

[Alexmed2002]

DYNO RESULTS / TUNING

 

Here's the dyno results for the car in stock tune. Peak is around 92kW @ 5,500RPM

 

 

The "blip" at the end is the gear change. Interesting is that the gearbox pushes through more torque on the gear change so this is probably closer to the potential of the car.

 

And a short clip:

 

Tune Round 1

 

OK Matt installed the new tune tonight and initial drive home is that it has woken the engine up quite a bit. Throttle response is improved and there's a decent amount more torque through the mid-range. Car is going on the dyno on Monday so I'll be able to quantify numbers a little better in a couple of days.

 

Ran a couple of quick 0-100 runs and best time was 9.08s - which is ~0.9sec improvement over stock.

 

It's never going to be a performance sedan, however what it does do is improve the driveability on the 2.5 NA.

 

Should have some fuel economy figures in a couple of weeks too. Stock I was averaging 8.2-8.3 l/100km so it will be interesting to see how this improves over time.Went out on the highway this morning for some early(ish) runs. Car runs consistently in the high 8's / low 9's. Best time was 8.62 and this was with a full tank of fuel.

 

I am seriously stoked.

 

Now I know for a lot of you guys with turbo cars this is a bit of a joke but for a NA car that was running 10's to drop over a full second in the 0-100 with just a tune is an exceptionally good result. It's pretty much the best I could have hoped for out of the car.

 

I'm really interested what the dyno is going to show in improvement in torque delivery, however from the road results and general more "aliveness" of the car I don't think I could be happier.

 

A big thanks to Matt at KiDo :DDyno results from this morning - red (stock), green (tune)

 

 

Tune Round 2

 

I've been trying to get some data other than the bum data, but it's been pretty hot in Adelaide since getting it retuned. At this point it's definitely smoother and less torque dump on gear change, however I'm not sure if it's picked up enough in other areas to compensate. Though getting on/off the accelerator coming out of corners is a lot more "natural" feeling and the car responds more in line with the throttle input rather than having a lag so there's definitely some driveability improvements.

 

I was really hoping to have a bit more to say but will hopefully get back out on the highway for some more runs in the next couple of days. I did a couple of quick runs but ended up with garbage data - GPS timer didn't catch the start of the run and only gave me a 30-100 time.

 

After a number of 35+degC days it finally cooled off today so I went out tonight and got a number of decent runs in. GPS timer agrees with the bum dyno it's definitely smoother... and quicker

 

0-100 is now dropped another 0.5 sec to average of 8.4sec over 10 runs out/back. So that's a total of 1.6sec off the stock time. For a 2.5 NA I am impressed!

 

The goal is to find another 0.5sec to get it into the 7's and then I think we'll call it job done. So when Matt's back at the end of Feb it's going to get run on the dyno and with some final tweaks hopefully find those last few tenths.

 

Tune Round 3

 

Now time to get a little more serious. I've had a full exhaust installed including custom headers and high flow cat. After a retune, there's a lot more torque - particularly low down.

 

Dyno results below, however rev 2 tune with headers was run with 91 octane and stock was with 95. Even still the tuned version performs quite a bit better.

 

 

And now for the all important 0-100 time... the average is now 8.0 with some pretty consistent runs between 7.9 and 8.1 . Best time below:

 

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160226/97c49fc9e546c284e47dfe2e9588e9b5.jpg

 

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160226/f5d66696bdf6802c29876389357a0b79.jpg

 

Here's a summary table with all the 0-100 runs. Average times highlighted in the bottom row - there's an improvement of 2.0sec over the stock 2.5 with the tune and headers.

 

 

And just for completeness here's all the runs for the Rev2 tune with headers:

 

 

Had a retune a week ago as Matt (throttlehappy) had found some more maps to fix when he was doing some pre-work for tuning the FB25 for raptor superchargers.... and before you ask no it's not for me

 

Anyway low down torque has improved and it really pulls well from the line. Not sure what the nanny limiters were but it certainly has freed up a lot more.

 

I ran some more 0-100 times. There's only a marginal improvement:

 

 

It had me scratching my head a bit but throttlehappy said that where the tune is stronger is in the bottom end and the car spends hardly any time there with foot flat. 90% of the time is up above 4,000RPM where there's not really any change in the file.

 

However driving through the hills on windy roads you can really feel the extra low end torque as the car pulls nicely out of the corners. It used to sometimes get caught in an rpm that was a bit "flat", however now with the latest retune these dead spots are gone and it pulls well everywhere

 

I do plan to put my car back on the dyno. I just haven't got around to it yet. Peak power won't have changed but I'm expecting a bit fatter curve at the bottom end.

 

Area under the curve is what you're after - particularly for a road car where you use a wide rev range.

 

 

 

How much of a difference did you notice with the car tuned? I've got a 2.5i as well and I am curious how much more of a difference there is before and after a tune.

[tigger73]

How much of a difference did you notice with the car tuned? I've got a 2.5i as well and I am curious how much more of a difference there is before and after a tune.

 

It's a reasonable difference and quite noticeable. Car is more urgent and definitely gets going quicker. It's been a while since I sold the car now but I'd recommend it to anyone looking for better performance.

[Brisvegas]

It's a reasonable difference and quite noticeable. Car is more urgent and definitely gets going quicker. It's been a while since I sold the car now but I'd recommend it to anyone looking for better performance.

 

Hey Tigger, good to see you are still around ... how is the new car going, are you still happy with it?

[tigger73]

Hey Tigger, good to see you are still around ... how is the new car going, are you still happy with it?

 

I've had a couple of cars since the Liberty... 2016 Scirocco R and current is 2018 VW Tiguan Sportline.

 

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/10/8a9c8fac736905f892ed73126af72b36-1.jpg

 

Tiguan is stage 3 with a upgraded turbo, exhaust, intercooler and will run a low 4's 0-100 (probably could go faster but they've limited torque in 1st gear for mechanical sympathy).

 

 

As you can see nothing has changed as I'm still modding

[XT-sub]

I've had a couple of cars since the Liberty... 2016 Scirocco R and current is 2018 VW Tiguan Sportline.

 

A great photo. Where is that stretch of road? I can’t place it.

[tigger73]

A great photo. Where is that stretch of road? I can’t place it.

 

It's Mount Alma in South Australia. There's a hillclimb that has run on this section of road for the last 11 years. It's a seriously steep section of road with gradients between 17% and 24%!!!!