Jaxx Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 do not under any circumstances buy a progress sway bar for your 05 +legacy front bar is a repackaged 02-05 wrx front sway bar with different mounting brackets and bushings the brackets are slotted permitting the bar to moved for and aft you must push the bar all the way forward or the bar will hit the control arm and (as i found out today) if you push it all the way forward and have the bar set to the softer of the two settings the bar rubs/grinds into the tie rod ends when turning rear bar has a flaw in the design that it locates the mounting point 1" below the top of the bar (add another 3/4 of material where ther was none)..when the suspension is compressed the bar hits the upper control arm before the arm is stopped by the bump stop. this can be fixed with a $100 set of adjustable end links now whats really scary is that there is a rumor that the perrin bar is an OEMed progress bar this is not the case fixed addressed later in the thread pictures http://www.kineteria.com/share/MVC02379.JPG http://www.kineteria.com/share/MVC02381.JPG http://www.kineteria.com/share/MVC02383.JPG its actually much worse than i suspected at full lock the bar is tightly pressed against the steering rack i solved the problem with the sawsall cutting off the front bracket now at full lock there is 1/4 of an inch of space in between .. (i removed 1/2" of material http://www.kineteria.com/share/MVC02385.JPG if you have one of these check it immediately you don't even need to jack it up just turn full lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKLGT Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 wow. guess i will take those off my list of mods. Wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle yeah!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Cusco = perfect Keefe Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NutBucket Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 I don't think the Perrin has any of the issues described above. Although, my experience with Whiteline has definitely been a mixed bag so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 I don't think the Perrin has any of the issues described above. Although, my experience with Whiteline has definitely been a mixed bag so far. I'm not sure if Seth will chime in, but it seems that the Perrin bars he got are not perfect either.. -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NutBucket Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Man, this makes me wonder if I should have just gone with Cusco to being with. Better get on the horn with Sean stat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wukindada Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 I have had Perrin front & rear on now for about a month....no problems;) Toyota 6EATS .........SUCK!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red beast Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 I have had Perrin front & rear on now for about a month....no problems;) you will ..squeek,squeek clunk. i've fiddle farted enough with it. i replacing my rear with the jdm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 I'm not sure if Seth will chime in, but it seems that the Perrin bars he got are not perfect either.. I am getting a clunk in the rear with my Perrin bar, but only when i have passengers. The vendor and Perrrin say there is no problem. Sorry.....no more Perrin on my car (or Alta on the MINI since they are the same company). They had the nerve to ask me to send pics to make sure the endlinks were installed correctly - ummm....it's impossible to do it wrong given the shape of the control arm they bolt to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wukindada Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Did you guys use their brackets? The more I looked @ them the more I kept saying to myself.....do not put them on...I didn't;) Hopefully they will continue to perform as well as they currently are! Toyota 6EATS .........SUCK!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 I put them on, but had horrible noise, so I took them off. Noise was less, but still there. Turns out the aftermarket endlinks were bad - very strange how they were six months old and went within a few days of putting the Perrin brackets on. I don't want to mess with the brackets again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul_Good Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Ditto +1 Cusco = perfect Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwood Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 jdm (plus lowered suspension) also = perfect getting out of the legacy game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx Posted August 24, 2005 Author Share Posted August 24, 2005 am getting a clunk in the rear with my Perrin bar, but only when i have passengers. The vendor and Perrrin say there is no problem yup thats the proublem in the rear mine was magnified due to being lower check the very end (top) of the bar i betcha there is paint missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm def Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Cusco = perfect Keefe Where might one find the cusco bars? How does Cusco front and rears with a strut bar sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedeck Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Rallitek.com. Cheapest that I have seen them around, so that's where I ordered them..and Sean was kind enough to hook me up with cheaper shipping...but I bought stuff for 2 cars...so it worked out well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHLEG Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Although, my experience with Whiteline has definitely been a mixed bag so far. What problems have you had? I've had both front and rear adjustable on for a couple months now with no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NutBucket Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Short and sweet the rear bar seems really loose in the bushings allowing to slide left and right very easily. This allows a nice collision course with the left brake caliper's banjo bolt. Very unpleasant experience to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PERRIN TECH Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Patagonian GT: Thank you for your e-mails (starting this morning) about your concerns with our rear bar (not the Progress bar. My apologies for any thread jacking.) I am confused by your posts here compared to the e-mails I received. Is the problem solved (by removing the AVO links) and going back to stock? Or was the problem solved by something else? Please clarify to the community here as well to me. Like I mentioned in the e-mail and I will reiterate it here, photos can be extremely helpful in determining problems. As they say a photo is worth a thousand words. We want to help ASAP and speech and text can't get the job done as quickly. Also, the photo you sent was of the right side of the car and the e-mail stated an issue coming from the left side of the car. Which is it or was it? The photo does not show an interference. Just as a general statement to this community. Your business is appreciated and valued. We want to help each and every one of you but you must contact us to get that service. An effort is continually made to try and keep un on the forums (this and others) but the most direct way is via e-mail or phone. If there is a problem and a re-design or something similar is required we can't do that if people don't tell us. As a blanket statement, "NONE OF OUR PRODUCTS SHOULD CLUNK, CLANG, BANG, SQUEEL, FART, OR OTHERWISE MAKE ANY UNJUST NOISE. If they do CALL or E-MAIL us so we can address it immediately." Finally, in no way shape or form is our bar made by the Progress Group. Our products are made locally to us or within our building itself. Our apologies if this post is misplaced within this thread talking about Progress bars but because this moderator had directed us here we felt compelled to comment here. If another moderator wishes to move this post to another thread or link to the post elsewhere PLEASE feel free to do so. We value the opinions and concerns of this forum group and do not wish to disrespect them. Thanks again! Adam PERRIN TECH DEPT. tech@perrinperformance.com 503-643-4677 xt 203 http://www.perrinperformance.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Thanks Adam - no worries about posting here. Since someone was lead to believe your bars were done by Progress, and my issues seemed similar, I thought I should post my issues here. Several other members have clunking noises with Perrin bars...the general consensus is something is amiss. Whether that is accurate or not remains to be seen. My problem is the same with the AVO endlinks or stock endlinks installed. It makes no difference. I will go crawl back under my car for literally the tenth time and take some more pics for you. I'd like to have a noise free suspension....it hasn't been that way since I sold the JDM 20mm bar I had. I will take some pics, then put the stock bar back on. If the noise goes away, than the bar is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msb175 Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Crap box, I got the Progress front and rears when they came out. Saw that the front was the WRX one's and inquired about it and they told me that they are the same for both the WRX and LGT. Don't hear anything weired or clunking while driving, but gonna get under the car and check. crud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 I figured it out. The bottom outside corner of the left mount is impacting the swingarm. The corner is flattened out (should be rounded like the other side - very obvious in the pic - I higlighted it to be clear) and the swingarm is gouged fairly well. Pics attached. I have a wagon by the way - not sure if there are any differences in clearances, but I wasn't aware of anything. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/PatagonianGT/pic2.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/PatagonianGT/pic1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 looks like if I move it to the next hole, things should be fine, but that means I lose the adjustable feature of the bar. That's the whole reason I bought Perrins, as Cusco stopped making their adjustable bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx Posted August 24, 2005 Author Share Posted August 24, 2005 updated first post i would wager the proublem is here not there http://www.kineteria.com/share/hedi.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 that was what I was thinking all along. About three inches from the end of the bar, I can feel some rough spots on the top edge (both sides), right where you describe. I won't be able to tell until I pull the bar off, but the place I noted in my pic is absolutely causing a problem. The corner is flattened....it should be a round corner and 90 degree faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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