Zero1 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Ewwwwww.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xt2005bonbon Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Ewwwwww.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelacy Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 This haha! If they do bring a boosted Fozzy with CVT to the states for 2014, there aren't any hood scoops on the pics I've seen... I dunno, guess for me it robs the fun factor out of having a boosted AWD car when you mate a CVT up. Guess it's the going trend with the flippy flappies and sans the third pedal There aren't any hood scoops because Subaru wants to go mainstream. Going mainstream means they want to get rid of their, in their eyes, racer cosmetics on the volume sales (Forester, Outback, Impreza non-turbo). http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4141375&postcount=145 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faded-a-fool Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 There aren't any hood scoops because Subaru wants to go mainstream. Going mainstream means they want to get rid of their, in their eyes, racer cosmetics on the volume sales (Forester, Outback, Impreza non-turbo). http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4141375&postcount=145 This Forester has a hoodscoop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K2e2vin Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 with more speeds, and better engine management, autos have eclipsed the mpg performance of manuals. CVTs just take it to the next level. There's different types of automatic transmissions. "Traditional," hydraulic torque-converter automatics usually still get worse MPG than other types of transmission; but what we're starting to see more of are semi-automatic transmissions that are basically electronically controlled manual transmissions(the newer Ford Focus'(Focii?) have this standard on the SEL and Titanium trims; no longer exclusive to high-end sport cars). There's even different types of CVT transmissions. The main advantage of CVTs over manuals are they can keep the engine at an optimal RPM/RPM range. A manual can still get better MPG than a CVT assuming the gear ratios are optimized for that(ie: the 2001 Insight with the 5spd gets better city and hwy mileage than it's CVT counterpart...especially the hwy part). The biggest drawback of CVT transmissions are they're not really known for handling a lot of power. I don't know if this was meant to be a fun car(they wouldn't be the first company to do this), but more of a comfortable car with plenty of "passing" power and ability to climb hills easily on non-ideal road conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelacy Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 This Forester has a hoodscoop Not a hood scoop, a cowl induction scoop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelacy Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 The biggest drawback of CVT transmissions are they're not really known for handling a lot of power. That's why the CVT for this Legacy is designed to handle the high torque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K2e2vin Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I'm talking about CVTs in general vs. aftermarket. Every stock CVT system should be able to handle whatever the stock motor can put out and maybe a little bit more. It's the guys that are pushing them to +400whp that may be a little worried; though I don't think much people build Legacy's so Subaru wasn't concerned with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hops Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Hopefully nobody wants 400+ whp with a CVT. A conventional automatic would be more fun. CVTs are simply for economy. Buy my cars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Hopefully nobody wants 400+ whp with a CVT. A conventional automatic would be more fun. CVTs are simply for economy. Just doing a little trolling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrowNaza86 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Why not bring in a dual clutch set-up? Is it still to young, complicated and expensive to adopt? From what I've gathered, it's where everyone should be progressing towards in terms of performance and economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hops Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Just doing a little trolling? Buy my cars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Despite several peopple stating that Subaru's new CVT is a different animal, you still claim that CVTs are simply for economy. You either haven't read most of this thread, or you're trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hops Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 No, not trying to "troll" and I've read the thread. Just stating the facts that have been out there for years about CVTs. I'm as interested as anybody else because it is such a unique transmission and definitely a new experience to drive over any manual or automatic. I just don't see it being a performance oriented transmission, but we'll see what the future entails. Buy my cars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero1 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I agree. If this is anything like Subaru's Version 2 CVT in my 2012 Impreza, it is absolutely NOT set up with too much performance in mind. DEFINITELY great for economy and a little bit of fun but I cannot see anyone wanting to push the awhp/awtq threshold with one :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 No, not trying to "troll" and I've read the thread. Just stating the facts that have been out there for years about CVTs. I'm as interested as anybody else because it is such a unique transmission and definitely a new experience to drive over any manual or automatic. I just don't see it being a performance oriented transmission, but we'll see what the future entails. Okay, apologies for the trolling comment. I was in a groove defending the new CVT against all the doubters (and there are a lot of them) in several threads and was getting a little frustrated that people weren't having any faith that this one is different. I tried to search for the video that was linked somewhere either on here or Nabisco but couldn't find it. It was in Japanese, but the driver was tracking the new Legacy DIT w/ CVT and raving about it. I was just a bit excited and didn't want nay-sayers to spoil the mood. I guess we won't really know until we see/read some solid reviews on test sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laufu Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I tried to search for the video that was linked somewhere either on here or Nabisco but couldn't find it. It was in Japanese, but the driver was tracking the new Legacy DIT w/ CVT and raving about it. Do you mean my post from the Legacy DIT thread? [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErtTi7J9MEU&feature=relmfu]SUBARU LEGACY FIRST IMPRESSION LEGACY 2.0GT DIT/山野哲也 - YouTube[/ame] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Yeah, that's the one. I forgot where I saw it. Watched the video again and realized it's really hard to tell if he's excited about it. Not enough emotion in his voice. Did anybody get a translation of what he's saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xt2005bonbon Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Man, once again I wish I could understand Japanese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eckseleven Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I just don't see it being a performance oriented transmission, but we'll see what the future entails. Depends on what you mean by "performance oriented". I would say that without the dead zone between gears and the constant movement in and out of peak power/torque, the CVT is a much better performer than any geared transmission Subaru could offer. Maybe you meant to say "fun transmission." That I would agree with. I do enjoy rowing through the gears, but assuming the CVT can handle a decent amount of power and transmit it efficiently to the wheels, it is clearly the better performer and something I would rather have sitting in my driveway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hops Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I just don't agree with it being performance-oriented since you can't control your power band like you can in a manual. I've driven the latest 3.6R CVT and I didn't feel comfortable driving in traffic like I do with a manual. But, we'll see what happens with new technology. And that's just my opinion. Buy my cars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelacy Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Depends on what you mean by "performance oriented". I would say that without the dead zone between gears and the constant movement in and out of peak power/torque, the CVT is a much better performer than any geared transmission Subaru could offer. Maybe you meant to say "fun transmission." That I would agree with. I do enjoy rowing through the gears, but assuming the CVT can handle a decent amount of power and transmit it efficiently to the wheels, it is clearly the better performer and something I would rather have sitting in my driveway. It's something most people can't seem to grasp. Applying the same flaws of one item to another just because they're in the same category or are used for the same purposes doesn't mean they're going to perform the same. What I can't understand is why they can't see that. It's like they want it to be horrible because their experiences with previous ones were horrible. But just thinking about it makes me realize some people never change even after realizing things are not what they seemed (or what they wanted it to seem like) to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelacy Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I just don't agree with it being performance-oriented since you can't control your power band like you can in a manual. I've driven the latest 3.6R CVT and I didn't feel comfortable driving in traffic like I do with a manual. But, we'll see what happens with new technology. And that's just my opinion. What? You do realize in the REAL world there is no such thing as a 3.6r CVT, just a 3.6r with a 5-speed automatic, right? Anyways.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hops Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Wow. My bad. I drove a CVT Legacy and a 3.6R on the same day. Thèy obviously did not use the CVT in the more powerful version for reasons. It's okay for others to have an opinion. You don't have full control of the power band like you do in a manual. Like I said, we'll see what the future holds for a CVT. I'm interested. Buy my cars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higuma Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 For what it's worth to the argument the new CVT in the 2.0 GT defaults to a 8 speed automatic gearbox when put in S# mode... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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