ehsnils Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Power to weight is just one factor you have to count on when determining the performance of the car. Suspension, weight distribution, aerodynamics are other. If you can go through a curve 5% faster than the rest of the field then you have a huge advantage at the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stang70Fastback Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 $4,000 more. Not sure if that is A LOT...? Hmmm, the one I test drove was like 45 grand... but I think that was the 40th anniversary edition or something. I'd be curious to know how the features lists compare... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodax Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Hmmm, the one I test drove was like 45 grand... but I think that was the 40th anniversary edition or something. I'd be curious to know how the features lists compare... I didn't look really detailed into it. I would assume the feature list is roughly the same. Maybe the BRZ will come better equipped; since it is $27,000 for the top end version and about $30,000 out the door. While 370Z cost $31,000 for the cheapest model and $39,000 (I believe) for the fully loaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawkness Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Front looks awesome! The back looks pretty F'ed up though. The STI concept looks much better than the production version. +1 While I prefer the Toyota front end over the Subaru, I do think they missed the mark on rear altogether. The Sti concept had the right idea, particularly in the tail light department. http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/Street_Sleepa/d0ab3167.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Especially with the angled line on the trunk lid. It does look good. Shame it's going to be slow. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boymk123 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 370Z is pretty similar to it and is much faster. Cannot really comment on the handling front, since I have yet to drive BRZ. BRZ starts at $24k http://wot.motortrend.com/2013-subaru-brz-price-starts-at-24000-and-we-have-the-detailed-specs-142245.html 370z cheapest start at $31.5k http://www.nissanusa.com/zcoupe/?dcp=ppn.63023882.&dcc=0.240189300 unless you were talking about the Nismo version, starts at 41k.. then compare with BRZ limited 27k starts you'r comparing cars $14,000 apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boymk123 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Especially with the angled line on the trunk lid. It does look good. Shame it's going to be slow. I have a feeling this BRZ is better for Japan road condition (small, twisted).. not for the US wide open highway, so yea it's slow here depending on each personal's definition and usage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_sheen Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 what the f*ck is with the fender cutout/flare/thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boymk123 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 IT'S DA MUSCLE YO http://files.myopera.com/lawrencegatonye/albums/3561922/mr%20muscle.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_sheen Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 :lol:^ everytime i see a faux fender piece i picture this. http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp166/crf150yo/22618320005_large.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compsurge Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Looking at the engine compartment makes it seem like the "lies about no turbo fitting" are actually not lies at all. That's engine bay is cramped and the block is pushed far back. A supercharger, however... But damn those oil changes will be even easier than the EJ with that top-mounted oil filter http://wot.motortrend.com/files/2011/12/2013-Subaru-BRZ-engine.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boymk123 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 :lol:^ everytime i see a faux fender piece i picture this. the purpose of fender vents is solely for aerodynamic and cooling the brakes (I'M TALKING ABOUT REAL FENDER VENTS!!! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boymk123 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Looking at the engine compartment makes it seem like the "lies about no turbo fitting" are actually not lies at all. That's engine bay is cramped and the block is pushed far back. A supercharger, however... But damn those oil changes will be even easier than the EJ with that top-mounted oil filter http://wot.motortrend.com/files/2011/12/2013-Subaru-BRZ-engine.jpg that one weirdest subaru engine I've seen so far.. top mount oil filter is easy to access, there must be a reason I like those strut bars design, wondering if it's better than 1 piece strut bar type:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claw Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Those o4 STI BBS'sses will go up in value.. I hope BBS will make more of them for the BRZ as well as driving the value down.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
system60 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Especially with the angled line on the trunk lid. It does look good. Shame it's going to be slow. you drive an outback , get over yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_sheen Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 ^ http://i.imgur.com/021qs.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boymk123 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 you drive an outback , get over yourself. BAC, here goes another personal atk to ur Grandma OBXT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
system60 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 and I drive just a legacy wagon, nothing special either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compsurge Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Oh, this will end well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER DOWN Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 No this will never end, unless this thread get closed Mileage:331487 Retired/Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacy360 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER DOWN Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Looking at the engine compartment makes it seem like the "lies about no turbo fitting" are actually not lies at all. That's engine bay is cramped and the block is pushed far back. A supercharger, however... But damn those oil changes will be even easier than the EJ with that top-mounted oil filter http://wot.motortrend.com/files/2011/12/2013-Subaru-BRZ-engine.jpg If it gets a turbo.It will be under the crank pulley. Click to see pic. http://photos.motoiq.com/MotoIQ/Project-Cars/Project-86/i-mvWNW8K/0/M/subaruboxerdit161-M.jpg More info. here. http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles/articletype/articleview/articleid/2279/86-under-the-skin-technical-details-on-the-toyotasubaruscion-86gt-86fr-sbrz.aspx More links for more engine pics. http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2011/11/2011-tokyo-auto-show-subaru-boxer-engines.html http://hellafunctional.com/?p=820 Mileage:331487 Retired/Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 you drive an outback , get over yourself. Why would I buy a sports car that's slower than my station wagon? My daily commute isnt an Auto-x course, and I could never justify $24k for a car at I'm only going to auto-x. Not sure why you have your panties all knotted. The BRZ is going to be slow. It might handle well, and it might only cost $24k, but it'll be slow. That's a simple fact. I'd rather pick up a used Elise, S2K, or Miata. At least those are easy to make not-slow, and two of them actually have high revving engines. I actually have seat time in a 330whp Elise. THAT is a properly fast car. If the N/A version is enough to make you damp in the nether regions, that's good for you. I don't see why you feel like you need to personally attack me and my wants in a car. Ease up on the hateraide, kid. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boymk123 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 YOUR WAGON CAN DRIFTTTTTTT YO!~ btw, some history behind the name 86, driven by Keiichi Tsuchiya. (I'm a diehard fan of this car) http://www.hpieurope.com/piw.php?lang=en&partNo=17209 http://www.driftingstreet.com/toyota-drift-cars.html again, Subaru and Toyota brought back the 86 not for track racing. To each their own, if you'r smart enough, you will know which car fits you most (driving style, habit, purposes...). Since nobody is similar with anybody, this thread will never end, unless lock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
system60 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 I just dislike FUD. ps- do you have seat time in the brz or frs? pps- please list all the fast rwd cars that start at 24k. Comparing used to new is apples to oranges, son. my whole point is that toyo/sub brought out exactly what they said they were going to since day one which is rare nowadays with how watered down most cars end up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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