StoplightAssassin Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 So you're saying a car that came with summer tires from the factory handles better than a car that came with one of the worst performing all-season tires of all time? No shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydtron Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 You conveniently left out the height measurement Let's call it "tall ship" if that makes one feel better 3.2" taller, or 5.7% taller than the previous model -- most of that is likely greenhouse space since ground clearance remains the same between the two models at 5.9" also afaik whenever it comes up, the spec B and 5th gen LGT have nearly identical lap times, even though the spec B has a better suspension setup. Not enough to overcome that the new one has a more rigid chassis. It may be uglier, weigh more and have larger dimensions but newer is almost invariably better in terms of handling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Exactly. 3.2" extra of height that went into the fat high hood and the greenhouse it's what makes it look ungainly. This, lazyboy fatass seats, Camry like interior, e-brake is what killed the car for me. But it wasn't the point. I can't believe the car is still offered with the number of sales it must be getting. I am seeing more 05-07 LGT wagons than 10+ LGTs (seriously). Honestly, I saw maybe like grand total of 2 of them, over the last two years. That's not just NE where I am but also CA where I travel often (spent like two months there this year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exbagboy Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 That's why I had mine lowered 1.5". I see a lot of 2.5i in CO, not a big fan of the stock look either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 also afaik whenever it comes up, the spec B and 5th gen LGT have nearly identical lap times, even though the spec B has a better suspension setup. Not enough to overcome that the new one has a more rigid chassis. It may be uglier, weigh more and have larger dimensions but newer is almost invariably better in terms of handling. lap times? Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Exactly. 3.2" extra of height that went into the fat high hood and the greenhouse it's what makes it look ungainly. This, lazyboy fatass seats, Camry like interior, e-brake is what killed the car for me. But it wasn't the point. I can't believe the car is still offered with the number of sales it must be getting. I am seeing more 05-07 LGT wagons than 10+ LGTs (seriously). Honestly, I saw maybe like grand total of 2 of them, over the last two years. That's not just NE where I am but also CA where I travel often (spent like two months there this year). 2 years later and we're still on this? That fat high greenhouse allowed the Legacy not to be a long boat like the Accord and Mazda6 to add legroom and also keeps visibility at the top of the segment. The car is still more aerodynamic than the BL with the hood and greenhouse. I'd rather take headroom, legroom, 3.2", and visibility over a slight aesthetic gain, cramped headroom, and an elongated car. The lazyboy fat ass seats comment is SOO ridiculously stupid. I have a 30" waist and I take up the entire the seat. The seats definitely need more bolstering, but calling them for fat asses is an over the top exaggeration. They ARE way more comfortable than the BL seats. In the BL my elbow would hurt from the hard door armrest and my back would hurt during extended drive (At the time I owned my LGT I was one of the youngest and probably still fittest members here). I've not had that problem at all in the BM. It's funny that my wife's friend that sat in the back seat said the "Camry like interior" had seats like a Lexus and an interior like a Mercedes (she drives an E Class). Our neighbor thought the interior looked like an Audi. These are real perceptions of people who aren't stuck in 2004. Everyone that has ever been in her car is impressed and weren't expecting it to be so nice. I haven't missed the e-brake one bit. It's always a conversation starter when someone is in the car and hears it engage when we park. Honestly, I'd like to see the LGT get more power and be a little sportier, but it still handles better, and out accelerates the previous gen in everything except 0-60, and that's only because the torque is limited in 1st and 2nd gear. 2 years later... same ol' shit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrD123 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 You conveniently left out the height measurement Let's call it "tall ship" if that makes one feel better I put in the primary dimensions - length, width, weight... left out height, front and rear track, interior dimensions, etc. but if it makes you happy 05 GT limited - height: 56.1, track 58.9/58.5 10 GT limited - height: 59.3, track 61.6/61.8 So seriously, 3" of height (as a curved surface) when the majority of the mass (and hence center of gravity) is effectively unchanged, makes it a boat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrD123 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 So you're saying a car that came with summer tires from the factory handles better than a car that came with one of the worst performing all-season tires of all time? No shit? Honest to goodness! It's true! The better equipped car outperforms lesser one - hard to accept for some, shocking to others... what are you going to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacy360 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I put in the primary dimensions - length, width, weight... left out height, front and rear track, interior dimensions, etc. but if it makes you happy 05 GT limited - height: 56.1, track 58.9/58.5 10 GT limited - height: 59.3, track 61.6/61.8 So seriously, 3" of height (as a curved surface) when the majority of the mass (and hence center of gravity) is effectively unchanged, makes it a boat? Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 That's why I had mine lowered 1.5". I see a lot of 2.5i in CO, not a big fan of the stock look either. I think mine is low enough - at least stock it's so low that I just avoid problems with speed bumps around here and only scratched undercarriage once yet. And we have way too many speed bumps around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCipio Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 This is true, especially since it's now only available with the 6-speed manual. If you are shopping for a GT, why would you settle for anything less than a standard transmission? (Automatic, of course, equals less.....) I understand general consumers like auto transmission, but if you are looking at a GT in the first place I just can't see it. -S'Cipio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted October 14, 2011 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 (At the time I owned my LGT I was one of the youngest and probably still fittest members here) I find this statement to be HIGHLY debatable and not even close to being a fair statement. loud Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 If you are shopping for a GT, why would you settle for anything less than a standard transmission? (Automatic, of course, equals less.....) I understand general consumers like auto transmission, but if you are looking at a GT in the first place I just can't see it. -S'Cipio GT means Grand Touring. Most grand touring cars today come with an automatic. Grand touring is more about comfort, e-gizmos, and things to make your life easier, while you are driving your high performance car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 ^^^ While I completely agree with this, I'd still rather have a manual and sporty feel. Bring on the Legacy STI - we still don't have one after all these years of waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 ^^^ While I completely agree with this, I'd still rather have a manual and sporty feel. Bring on the Legacy STI - we still don't have one after all these years of waiting. And I completely agree with this. I knew immediately when I drove the 5EAT LGT that it wasn't for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenzo Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 ^^^ While I completely agree with this, I'd still rather have a manual and sporty feel. Bring on the Legacy STI - we still don't have one after all these years of waiting. I weep a little bit every time you remind me of the LSTi dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Kenzo, you're already halfway there with your Spec.B - a few more add-on parts and a stage 2 tune, and there you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laufu Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 ^^^ While I completely agree with this, I'd still rather have a manual and sporty feel. Bring on the Legacy STI - we still don't have one after all these years of waiting. While I would love to have a Legacy STI, I could settle for a Legacy tS. Or even an Exiga tS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tito_b0y Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 If you are shopping for a GT, why would you settle for anything less than a standard transmission? (Automatic, of course, equals less.....) I understand general consumers like auto transmission, but if you are looking at a GT in the first place I just can't see it. -S'Cipio There are a few people on here who chose a GT 5EAT over an MT because of knee issues. And just because of said knee issues, why deprive yourself of the joy that can be had with a turbo or any sporty car that has an option of an AT? Just a thought 2006 SWP 3.0R 5EAT VDC BBQ 2008 OBP 2.5i 4EAT BBQ [RIP] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted October 14, 2011 I Donated Share Posted October 14, 2011 There are a few people on here who chose a GT 5EAT over an MT because of knee issues. And just because of said knee issues, why deprive yourself of the joy that can be had with a turbo or any sporty car that has an option of an AT? Just a thought I'd be interested to know what the "take rate" for 08-09 LGTs with the 5EAT was. My guess is it was low enough that Subaru figured automatic buyers would be served well enough by the 3.6R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I'd be interested to know what the "take rate" for 08-09 LGTs with the 5EAT was. My guess is it was low enough that Subaru figured automatic buyers would be served well enough by the 3.6R. I've said it all along... unless someone misses the hoodscoop or plans on modding... the 3.6R would fit the bill for the Auto GT buyers seeing as its faster than the old 5EAT GT... and it runs on regular fuel... and it requires less frequent oil changes [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssbtech Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 And if it is anything like the 3.0 H6, it should be as smooth as silk. Even though my last Outback was gutless with the 4EAT, I do miss how nicely that motor wound up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laufu Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I've said it all along... unless someone misses the hoodscoop or plans on modding... the 3.6R would fit the bill for the Auto GT buyers seeing as its faster than the old 5EAT GT... and it runs on regular fuel... and it requires less frequent oil changes Less oil changes? Interesting, I thought the new Legacies moved to a 7500 mile synthetic oil change schedule. While the the old 5EAT was slower than the 3.6R, according to the sales brouchure from Subaru of Australia, the 2010 5EAT GT is actually faster than the 3.6R. It states the 0-100km/h for the GT is 6.2 secs vs 7.3 secs for the 3.6R. The manual GT did it in 6.3 secs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exbagboy Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I heard good things about the 5EAT in overseas LGTs but 6.3 is too high for the manual. Here it's listed as 5.6s. Love the 5th gen Aussie Liberty GT body kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosthated Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 i am buying a 2012 apw legacy premium package want to know what kind of performance up grades can i get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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