crrider80 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Hi everyone. I'm looking to do a manual swap on my 05 LGT. I've heard reasons not do perform this swap ie: "It would be more feasible to trade in your car for a manual LGT" or "An IPT upgraded trans would be easier" First of all, it is not at all feasible in my case and the feedback from a MT cannot be simulated from a subaru 5eat. If I did so, I would have more payments and a much slower car. I have yet to see a 5eat to MT conversion. A manual swap would enable me to unleash more power than my 205k 5eat can not handle. Being mechanically inclined, I am up for a new project and a challenge. I know I will be needing the following. - Manual driveshaft- Manual cross braces (possibly?)- Pedal box assembly- Master, slave- R160 diff- And a plethora of wiring I understand a Spec-b or 4eat drive shaft is compatible with the 6mt trans. and that the ECU and TCU are seperate so a MT ECU may not be necessary. It would be nice to keep my current 5eat ecu so I can retain my tune. My questions are: -What are the differences between the GD's Pedal box assembly and that of the Legacy's? Will I be able to use a GD pedal box?-Can the 5eat cross braces be altered to fit a manual?-What type of wiring will be needed?Other questions may arise. Thanks in advance guys. ~Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSFW Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 AT and MT downpipes are different. If you use RomRaider / EcuFlash for tuning, you can copy tables from your old tune to your new tune. It's tedious (there are a lot of tables) but it's possible. It seems likely that your 5EAT ECU will work with an MT, but I haven't actually done it so I'm just guessing. Is there a neutral position switch wire in the 5EAT harness that can be hooked up to the MT neutral switch? That's the only think I can think of that the ECU would care about, but like I said, I haven't actually done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crrider80 Posted March 4, 2010 Author Share Posted March 4, 2010 AT and MT downpipes are different. If you use RomRaider / EcuFlash for tuning, you can copy tables from your old tune to your new tune. It's tedious (there are a lot of tables) but it's possible. It seems likely that your 5EAT ECU will work with an MT, but I haven't actually done it so I'm just guessing. Is there a neutral position switch wire in the 5EAT harness that can be hooked up to the MT neutral switch? That's the only think I can think of that the ECU would care about, but like I said, I haven't actually done it. Ah right, I almost forgot about the DP. The neutral safety switch and also speed sensor will need to be wired up properly. ~Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierce88 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Almosy positive the 5eat downpipes clear the manual transmission but not the other way around... -Pierce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 OP please post results, and good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhook Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 good luck! +1 That's not going to be a fun or cheap process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow05gtRI Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 Almosy positive the 5eat downpipes clear the manual transmission but not the other way around... -Pierce this is true. you'll need to rig up an extension on one of the mounting points, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 If you do pull the trigger on this, please document the living heck out of it. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frkkevin Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 ditto.. i've considered this many times but after the price of parts and install it would not be a logical choice for me to me the 5500 for an installed ipt built 5eat is more logical 512whp/465ftlb 2005 5EAT Legacy (Build Log) Videos - - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 most logical if someone requires a MT is to BUY A CAR WITH AN MT AND SAVE A LOT OF MONEY. Even if you lose $2000 on a lateral swap, it's worth it to then only have to do a straight 5mt to 6mt swap IMO. But if you really do pull the trigger, this will be excellent to follow. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESP Dyno Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Any more info on this? I am thinking about doing it, but looking for more info first. www.EnhancedStreetPerformance.com www.facebook.com/EnhancedStreetPerformance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Just like me, waiting on a brave sown (with deep pockets) to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESP Dyno Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 OK, I know the mechanical stuff can be done but the only thing that really concerns me is the wiring. So here is what I have found...After comparing the 05 manual and 05 auto PCM diagrams and doing some searching on here: Pin 34 on connector B134 identifies the vehicle as manual or auto. Rumor has it that this pin just needs to be grounded (or ungrounded) to switch between the two. Pin 9 on connector B137 is the nuetral switch input. Only problem I see here is, according to Alldata, the manual is looking for 12 volts when in nuetral, and the auto is looking for 0 volts in nuetral, 12 volts the rest of the time. No idea whether this would work. Clutch switch would need to be wired into pin 1 on connector B134 Backup lights look like they could be wired into the same spot at the OP connector I can't find the vehicle speed sensor input so no idea on this one. Also, I would really like to know if the body control modules are the same for manual and automatic cars. There are 2 different ECU part numbers for manuals and autos so something has to be different between them. Just not sure what... www.EnhancedStreetPerformance.com www.facebook.com/EnhancedStreetPerformance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Another? I think you will be the first one. Due to the CAN nature of the car, I am pretty sure you'll have an interesting project. Might involve changing wiring, including ECU, BIU (body integated unit - it is also different), gauge cluster. Speed sensor is not an issue, since the reading comes from ABS module. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESP Dyno Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Man, I was hoping I just hadn't searched hard enough:) Well, I have access to an 08 LGT sedan with 14K miles. I could source whatever parts I could use from there but not sure what will be compatible with my 05 wagon. I know the BIU is different for the wagon too. Are there big tranny differences from year to year? I am hoping the clutch, slave, master, pedal box, rear diff, driveshaft and axles would work. Not sure about the cluster, either. www.EnhancedStreetPerformance.com www.facebook.com/EnhancedStreetPerformance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Mechanical parts will all work. I am almost certain 07+ cluster won't work with 05-06 cars. But I guess would be interesting to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 And the auto tranny is 05-07 and then 08-09 I know there is a small difference in the 2005 and then 2005.5 there could be the two part numbers but that is only in the auto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Anyone want to start: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-Legacy-GT-SPEC-B-EJ255-6-Speed-Transmission-SWAP_W0QQitemZ360200855464QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item53dda4dfa8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESP Dyno Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Very tempting... I was only looking at $2000 for all the 5 speed parts to do the swap. Anyone know what a 5EAT with an IPT valve body and cooler would go for? 60K miles and AMSOIL fluid. www.EnhancedStreetPerformance.com www.facebook.com/EnhancedStreetPerformance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j255c Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 (edited) Dave, MY LGT is officially up for sale . Title should be arrive within the next week.You know what's been going on with it too. PM me, im willing to let it go for an extremely reasonable price. Edited April 2, 2010 by j255c 06 TB EVO IX SE stock turbo monster subaru hater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Anyone know what a 5EAT with an IPT valve body and cooler would go for? 60K miles and AMSOIL fluid. Trans is worth $1000 +/- $200, plus shipping IF it is in excellent working condition. I don't know anything about yours. A modified valve body is hard to sell and therefore hard to price, but you could sell it with the condition of getting a stock one in return after the buyer does the install. Figure $750 +/- $50 for a modified valve body with core exchange. A used cooler is worth like $30 +/- $10 depending on which one it is and how pretty it is. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow05gtRI Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 ESP, what model year is the car/valve body? I might be down to trade my non-IPT vb for yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 From the same guy as above I linked he has an auto for $799. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-Subaru-Legacy-Automatic-Transmission-EJ25_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem53dc9921b2QQitemZ360183308722QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories For a grand you can get the whole thing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-SUBARU-LEGACY-GT-AUTOMATIC-TRANSMISSION-PACKAGE-05_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem563730c0cfQQitemZ370293129423QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories The 5MT with everything: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-SUBARU-LEGACY-GT-MANUAL-TRANSMISSION-5-SPEED-19K_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem563a419b1dQQitemZ370344565533QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESP Dyno Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Its an 05 Wagon. But I need to make to make sure the swap would work before I parted with it. www.EnhancedStreetPerformance.com www.facebook.com/EnhancedStreetPerformance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow05gtRI Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 oh ok so this is if the MT to AT swap works. i'll be following here, but definitely let me know if things start to work out for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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