LGT or Mazdaspeed6?

[05GT Guru]

Sure the Mitusbishi engien will break eventually but it can make soem wicked power, the stage 2 setup have seen as high as 280fwhp on a SRT-4, a friend of mine has a SRT-4 putting down 350fwhp and i have seen him take a viper by 2 cars on a 50mph roll.

[IwannaSportSedan]

Man, is there anything in your world other than "MORE POWER"???

 

The SRT4 was a tin can with a turbocharged motor. There is more to life than that.

 

And I'll bet an SRT4 with 350 FRONT WHEEL horsepower is a joy to drive, as it rips your arms off and beats you with them, when the car torque steers.

 

My mom drives a VNT Turbo LeBaron. THAT car, STOCK!!!, will pull the steering wheel out of your hands when you hit the gas, and it probably has just a bit less power than my Legacy.

 

I'm sorry, but I would rather drive a Viper home after having lost by 2 car lenghts, than have a tin can with tens of thousands of dollars sunk into it, and STILL BE A TIN CAN!!!

 

And racing from a 50mph roll isn't exactly the wisest thing to be doing on a public road, anyway, and you can't exactly do that at a drag-strip. How fast were they going at the END of that race?

 

Remind me not to drive on the roads around your area.

[05GT Guru]

Hey i wasnt saying i would rather have the SRT-4 over a viper lol, from a dig im sure the viper would have won. But i mean he just took a 80grand sports car with his 17gradn car that has 4grand of parts in it. I love doin that in my cars, taking cars that cost over double what yours did. And when it comes to cars no there is nothing but more power. Power is EVERYTHING

[deimos]

And I'll bet an SRT4 with 350 FRONT WHEEL horsepower is a joy to drive, as it rips your arms off and beats you with them, when the car torque steers.

 

:lol::lol::lol:

 

LMFAO

[deimos]

Power is EVERYTHING

 

If you cant get it to the ground its worth nothing

[IwannaSportSedan]

And when it comes to cars no there is nothing but more power. Power is EVERYTHING

 

Spoken like a true drag racer.

 

Have you ever seen works of art like the Austin Healey 100/3000, or other cars that are fantastic without loads of power?

[syphax]

This is a reply to the original post from Oz. This being an LGT-oriented forum, I think you will find that most people here (presumably LGT owners themselves) for one reason or other will recommend the LGT as the better all-around car. That is when they are not going off-topic by making fun of souped-up Dodge Neons. Anyway, keep in mind that you have access to hotter Subie stuff in Australia than we do in the states, and that a Mazda is really just a Ford. Speaking of American cars, don't the real gearheads go for Bogans... er, I mean Holdens?

[dmp]

a Mazda is really just a Ford.

 

Mazda : Ford as Ashley Judd : Wynonna Judd

 

 

Mazda is NOT ford. They share platforms. Ford holds majority interest, IIRC.

 

Some of the models may share DNA...but they are markedly different.

[syphax]

Wow, settle down! I was just taking a little dig at Mazda *and* Ford - I understand the nuances, but they are not important in the context of what I was saying. Next time I will use the <sarcasm> tag. Anyway, a Subaru is just a Fuji! *ducks*

 

Mazda : Ford as Ashley Judd : Wynonna Judd

 

 

Mazda is NOT ford. They share platforms. Ford holds majority interest, IIRC.

 

Some of the models may share DNA...but they are markedly different.

[dmp]

No, YOU relax!!!!

 

 

 

...I wasn't upset - I'm just always right and lost my battle trying to just leave your comment alone. :-D

 

:beers:

[05GT Guru]

Spoken like a true drag racer.

 

Have you ever seen works of art like the Austin Healey 100/3000, or other cars that are fantastic without loads of power?

 

I love all types of cars, but i only love the ones I love. Some cars other people are in love with and i cant stand, such as the lates 80s early 90s 5.0s and the style of the new STI. I admit the STI has balls but some people are so in love with the car. I would never get a hatch and thats just me. 250hp is not enough for me in a 3400lbs car i admit. But i use this car for alot more than racing.

[dmp]

It's been said among some of the very best drivers...If you can't go fast with 90hp, 900hp won't help you. Said another way, of sorts, "High Horsepower makes fast CARS. Low HP makes fast DRIVERS". Which do you prefer?

[deimos]

It's been said among some of the very best drivers...If you can't go fast with 90hp, 900hp won't help you. Said another way, of sorts, "High Horsepower makes fast CARS. Low HP makes fast DRIVERS". Which do you prefer?

 

Fast women

[dmp]

I like the way you think

 

God Save the Queen!

 

[05GT Guru]

It's been said among some of the very best drivers...If you can't go fast with 90hp, 900hp won't help you. Said another way, of sorts, "High Horsepower makes fast CARS. Low HP makes fast DRIVERS". Which do you prefer?

 

Yes we all start somewhere my start was a 79 malibu with 400hp and 450trq with side pipes, i learned on that, then 2 talons wtih 205hp and then a eclipse with 205 that i bumped up to about 350. I have driven slow cars, i have driven fast cars, i prefer fast. I have evaded cops in a mini van im sure i could in a 800hp car.

[dmp]

Yes we all start somewhere my start was a 79 malibu with 400hp and 450trq with side pipes, i learned on that, then 2 talons wtih 205hp and then a eclipse with 205 that i bumped up to about 350. I have driven slow cars, i have driven fast cars, i prefer fast. I have evaded cops in a mini van im sure i could in a 800hp car.

 

 

:bs:

 

MOST people have more car than ability. I'm included there - and I'm a pretty good driver. With my 'measly' 200whp, I've held off 911s and 300+hp Cosworth Escorts at the track...because of what? What made the difference?

 

Driver.

 

Not bragging - just illustrating a point. To further illustrate the point, I'd wager a 120whp Miata would leave that malibu, and either three-pebbles cars pretty easily under the right circumstances, with the right driver.

[05GT Guru]

Yes it would, because the malibu weighed 3800bs and had no sway bars cause i drag raced it everywhere, on a straight you miata woudl be toast but on a turn lol no. I bet a 120hp miata wouldnt leave my supra or Trans Am in the dust and those are 3500lbs and 3800lbs cars. I know a guy around here with a 5.0 in his miata. He also has a 5.0 in a old celica. so what was bs about my statement. What do you use at the track that rx8, i have had friends with those cars it feels like your driving a toy.

[dmp]

(sigh). You don't get it. You're telling me you're a slow driver in a fast car. omghowniceforyou.

 

What do you mean 'what do I use at the track that rx8'? What do you mean it feels like I'm driving a toy? How would you know how it feels for me to track my rx8? Have you driven an RX8? The steering and braking is sublime. No real driver I've ever let drive my car called it 'feeling like a toy'.

 

For the record? Under the right conditions I PROMISE a 120whp Miata would SMOKE - obliterate your trans am or Supra with you driving. I guarantee it.

 

I think you'd be the guy in the viper - merely out there slowing down the field in the fun bits - then Romping on the gas down the straight...oh the skill.

 

[ame=http://youtube.com/watch?v=-5zQAxThPZY]YouTube - Miata vs Viper[/ame]

 

At least the Viper had the good sense to let the miata past.

 

Would you do the same?

[05GT Guru]

Thats fine say what you want, yes i have driven 2 rx8s, both of my friends sold there because a car without trq it isnt really a car, its a toy. Yes i drove both and i do admit that handle very nice, what a meant when i said toy is lack of power and the interior looked toyish, it didnt look like an adults cars. I like cars that handle well i really do, and my supra has completely new suspension, rear end, tranny engine and turbo it handles pretty well. But im not gonna drive a car that doensnt make me feel like a kid on christmas morning when i push down the pedal. So when do you think you will have to replace your seals, i have worked with a couple rotary engines, so i have seen what they can do but i find them useless when you have to replace seals constantly.

[dmp]

you're silly. You don't even make sense. A car without Torque isn't a car? I mean...really? You stand by that? It's just not intellectually honest to complain or bring-up torque when you don't bring up 'gearing' - which is the great torque multiplier. You knew that, right? Lack of power? Are you saying the car's engine doesn't make power? Or doesn't make 'enough to compensate for your poor driving technique'?

 

200whp in a 3000lbs car isn't lack of power, is it? Is it really? If it's 'a lack of power' how was I able to hold off, lap after lap two cars which made significantly more power? Were they lacking, too? Maybe if they had twice the power, it'd have helped them pass me on the straights - only to slow me down on the fun bits, eh? Is that what's fun for you?

 

Interior looks 'toyish' - coming from a guy with a trans f'ing AM??? REALLY? What appeals to you - the GM PlaySkool-look for an interior?

 

See - the problem is this...the problem I have with what you've posted...You aren't even arguing anything - you're just insulting. It's the logical fallacy of Ad Hominem, of sorts. You can't debate anything I've said, or you can't counter it with reason or facts, so you simply insult.

 

omghowniceforyouohnnnoo3s!!!!11111onewon000oooojuan!!!!

[05GT Guru]

Yes 200rwhp is a lack of power, now why dont you tell what trq you make to the rear wheels, that is a bigger lack, also what rear end gears do rx8s have? When i bought my T/A i was 18 i wasnt looking for class i was looking for a car that could make 357rwhp and 364rtrq with 3 bolt ons in a 3500lbs car. I would love an RX-7 with a ls1 in it now that would be awesome. Im also not trying to insult you at all, just stating why i wouldnt buy a rx8, its weak.

[dmp]

Your grammar and punctuation are weak. RX8's are fine.

 

My car makes about 145lbs-ft at the rear wheels. But with the 4.444 gearing, the car scoots along FINE.

 

It's a MOMENTUM car - do you understand what that means? It's designed to enable a good or decent driver to handle a road without having to slow down.

 

Now that we know the car's purpose, I'm sure you'll see why the RX8, with a good/decent driver, on the right course could wreak HAVOC upon higher-hp cars. Know what I mean? Are you getting any of this, or am I pissing in the wind?

 

I'd bet you $500 my RX8 could out-accelerate your T/A in the right test.

 

 

[Underdog]

^ Double wishbone and multilink suspension sound pretty nice too.

 

My buddy is trying to decide between a CTS-V and an RX8. No joke.

[fishbone]

I'm with dmp on this one, sorry

My old man used to be a rally driver and co-pilot, he's been in some pretty tough and unforgiving races in my homecountry. He's never driven my LegacyGT (automatic) himself but he's told me numerous times that on the dirt and twisties he'll take me in my 1995 Nissan Sentra manual. 115 horsepower for the uninformed. After having seen him "in action" several times, there's not a doubt in my mind he would. He can control [or get out of shit situations] a car up to about 60mph in almost any condition.

There's no replacement for a good driver, really. That's the reason I will always consider rally/F1 drivers better balanced and overall skilled drivers than drag or NASCAR racers.

 

05GT Guru, absolutely no disrespect intended, but I get the distinct feeling you lack a certain dose of perspective. Either that or the misunderstandings are due to talking on a forum, which is a very impersonal way of discussing such topics. IE, you can read between the lines the wrong way or interpret things out of context.

[syphax]

Aha! Now I understand why you got so excited about my Mazda/Ford comment! Sorry - didn't realise. But what brings you to a Subaru forum? I mean besides the obvious thrill of arguing with people who have no regard for grammar, punctuation, and complete sentences. Back to the RX8 - for the record, I think it's a sweet car, but not quite the gorgeous work of art the last RX7 was. I have heard the rotary engines can be temperamental, though. Is that true?

 

 

Your grammar and punctuation are weak. RX8's are fine.

 

My car makes about 145lbs-ft at the rear wheels. But with the 4.444 gearing, the car scoots along FINE.

 

It's a MOMENTUM car - do you understand what that means? It's designed to enable a good or decent driver to handle a road without having to slow down.

 

Now that we know the car's purpose, I'm sure you'll see why the RX8, with a good/decent driver, on the right course could wreak HAVOC upon higher-hp cars. Know what I mean? Are you getting any of this, or am I pissing in the wind?

 

I'd bet you $500 my RX8 could out-accelerate your T/A in the right test.