TPLGT Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 ^^ I did not know that...doesnt matter to me since I have the Swifts. I have heard nothing but good reports about the Ions. Rehab is for quitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansGT Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 ^ yep. Had ion's on stock struts for about 18 months. Very nice set up. My roads have turned crappy and swapped to JDM GT Rev A Bilsteins and Swifts. The Bilsteins just allow for a lot more control. Both nice set ups, but the edge for sure goes to swapping out struts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPLGT Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Nice....Bilsteins someday... Rehab is for quitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaceComp Engineering Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I was trying to keep my suspension under 2k, but after looking at some Ohlins and KWs, I may need to re-think that. Sometimes you gotta put out when you want the best. http://www.iwsti.com/forums/brakes-suspension-stiffening/47238-new-custom-rce-coilover-packages-moton-kw-ohlins.html What do you guys think of these? ^^^ ...which do you think would be best for what I'mn trying to accomplish? Whoa, that's an old thread of ours. Most of that stuff is STi specific and not intended for the Legacy. And out of date The best set-up that we've been on are the Ohlins Sportline for Legacy. Little bit expensive though. Honestly, I think you'd be very happy with either KW Variant 2's or our RCE Tarmac I's (modified KW Variants). Still reasonably priced, but some of the best ride quality you'll find in a coilover with great performance too. Corrosion resistant, great European valving, lots of travel, great warranty. - Andrew 410-579-1501 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whobaru Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Whoa, that's an old thread of ours. Most of that stuff is STi specific and not intended for the Legacy. And out of date The best set-up that we've been on are the Ohlins Sportline for Legacy. Little bit expensive though. Honestly, I think you'd be very happy with either KW Variant 2's or our RCE Tarmac I's (modified KW Variants). Still reasonably priced, but some of the best ride quality you'll find in a coilover with great performance too. Corrosion resistant, great European valving, lots of travel, great warranty. - Andrew 410-579-1501 Sweet, thanks! Which would give the softest dd ride for my poor, damaged neck (accident years ago)? ...ne way you can send me some pricing? My spring fund will be ready in a couple months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaceComp Engineering Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Bilsteins HD with STi Pink springs would be the best ride quality and performance that's almost as good as some coilovers. I'll send you a PM with some options. - Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sofi Posted December 5, 2007 Author Share Posted December 5, 2007 as a rule are coilovers better than matching struts and spring? If so, the Tein Basic coilovers would be cheaper than the Bilstien HD conversion kit with Swifts or especially Pinks. How do the HD's stack up against the JDM spec b bilstiens (any version)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneskiian Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 The best set-up that we've been on are the Ohlins Sportline for Legacy. Little bit expensive though. Andrew, Are the Ohlins Sportline you speak of the coilovers or the fixed perch struts. I see you offer both from Ohlins. Thanks! Edit: I found my answer. I hadn't looked closely enough. The Sportline's are indeed coilovers. How are the Ohlins fixed perch struts on the Legacy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Andrew, Are the Ohlins Sportline you speak of the coilovers or the struts. I see you offer both from Ohlins. Thanks! Sportlines are coilovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvento Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 I just went with H-tech springs and koni yellows smooth as butter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VXCL Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 there was a lot of used jdm bilsteins with pinks, swifts, etc in the market place a couple months ago for $600-1000. i would just wait. thats what i did. got my entire setup for $650 and it was worth the wait. MAYHEM #122/22 STS NNJR SCCA AUTOX4U.COM XENON RETRO GUIDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsme Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 I have KW v.2 on my car for awhile and I really like them. I have mine set at 1/4" below max height. I also have 19x7.5 w/225/35/19. Racecomp (they are a site vendor) has a version made for them by KW that were about $1300 shipped. I paid around $1600 for my KW's. http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u156/itsmebryan/005920.jpg http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u156/itsmebryan/112317.jpg http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u156/itsmebryan/112326.jpg http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u156/itsmebryan/112332.jpg Even thought the spring are 7k all the way around they ride very smooth even with the 35 series tires and 19". It corners very well. I also have other suspension upgrades. Hope that helps. Racer X FMIC for '05-'09 LGTs, '08+ WRX and '10+ LGT,'14+ FXT, and '15+ WRX TMIC Racerxengineering.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaceComp Engineering Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 as a rule are coilovers better than matching struts and spring? If so, the Tein Basic coilovers would be cheaper than the Bilstien HD conversion kit with Swifts or especially Pinks. How do the HD's stack up against the JDM spec b bilstiens (any version)? Not necessarily....there are advantages and disadvantages to both. - Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaceComp Engineering Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Andrew, Are the Ohlins Sportline you speak of the coilovers or the fixed perch struts. I see you offer both from Ohlins. Thanks! Edit: I found my answer. I hadn't looked closely enough. The Sportline's are indeed coilovers. How are the Ohlins fixed perch struts on the Legacy? We have a customer with Pink springs who loves them. Definitely a milder version of the Sportlines, and the rear shock has a couple different spring perch locations so they are kind of height adjustable. - Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Aside fron the ohlins sprotline coilover set, are there any other higher end coilover sets that are available for the BL/BP legacy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whobaru Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 there was a lot of used jdm bilsteins with pinks, swifts, etc in the market place a couple months ago for $600-1000. i would just wait. thats what i did. got my entire setup for $650 and it was worth the wait. ...tell me more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaceComp Engineering Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Aside fron the ohlins sprotline coilover set, are there any other higher end coilover sets that are available for the BL/BP legacy? There's some of the STi Japan stuff....made by Bilstein and pretty expensive. Never had a chance to try it myself though. We can get them....IIRC the price is at least 3k though. - Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansGT Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 How do the HD's stack up against the JDM spec b bilstiens (any version)? HD's are reported to be 20% stiffer then spec b Bilsteins (JDM GT Rev C). That would put them in line with JDM GT Rev A's. JDM spec B Bilsteins would be even firmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 There's some of the STi Japan stuff....made by Bilstein and pretty expensive. Never had a chance to try it myself though. We can get them....IIRC the price is at least 3k though. - Andrew Do you have any pics, links or specs on them? Im interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaceComp Engineering Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 I think we had some of them in one of our old old vendor threads. Can't find it now. Pretty sure they were 6k/8k rates, adjusted compression and rebound together, had helper springs, and were single height adjustable. Bilstein is known for great valving and ride quality, and I'm sure these lived up to that. - Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VXCL Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 ...tell me more. exactly what im talking about $650 rev a's and swifts http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1548800#post1548800 good guy, have dealt with him in past, got my spec b steering wheel from him MAYHEM #122/22 STS NNJR SCCA AUTOX4U.COM XENON RETRO GUIDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 It's actually kg/mm, a measure of spring rate. 1 kg/mm = 55.9 psi. Stock USDM springs are approximately 200 psi (3.6 kg/mm) front and 300 psi (5.4 kg/mm) rear. I believe pinks are 3.9 kg/mm front and 5.9 kg/mm rear, roughly 8% stiffer front and 9% stiffer rear than USDM springs. Provas are approximately 21% stiffer front and 24% stiffer rear than USDM springs. I'm confused... kg/mm does not translate to pressure even remotely. Pressure is a measure of force (or mass*gravity) over an area (mm^2). A Pascal (145.04E-6 PSI) is 1 N/(m^2). A Newton (N) is 1 kg*m/(s^2). Put that together and you have 1 Pa = 1 (kg*m/(s^2))/(m^2), which looks nothing like kg/mm. Spring rate is a measure of how much force it will take to compress the spring a given amount. If you have a 10kg load and a 1kg/mm spring, the spring will compress 10mm from it's free length (assuming linear spring rate and long enough spring to be compressed that much). The Crimson Dynamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactojesse Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 I'm confused... kg/mm does not translate to pressure even remotely. Pressure is a measure of force (or mass*gravity) over an area (mm^2). A Pascal (145.04E-6 PSI) is 1 N/(m^2). A Newton (N) is 1 kg*m/(s^2). Put that together and you have 1 Pa = 1 (kg*m/(s^2))/(m^2), which looks nothing like kg/mm. I was referring to spring rate, not pressure. I apologize for using psi instead of pounds/inch. I'll fix the units in my original post. I was referring to converting spring rates that are in SAE units (pounds/inch) to metric (kg/mm). 1 kg = 2.2 pounds. 1 inch = 25.4 mm. Ergo, 1 lb/in = 55.9 kg/mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 The Crimson Dynamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sofi Posted December 8, 2007 Author Share Posted December 8, 2007 If i were giving away a set of bilstien HDs and a set of bilstien spec b Rev A but you could only have one or the other...which would you choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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