SubieDriver Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I'm gonna try another dealership soon. It's just a royal PITA, as the rest of them are all 40+ minutes away, and having to find someone to follow me there, drive me home, and then drive me back to pick it up. . They should provide you a loaner vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawl Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I'm gonna try another dealership soon. It's just a royal PITA, as the rest of them are all 40+ minutes away, and having to find someone to follow me there, drive me home, and then drive me back to pick it up. . okay no worries about this. if you talk to SoA, at the VERY LEAST they will offer you a loaner (meaning- they will order the dealership to give you a loaner). Give them a call. car for sale. PM me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Waxiboy Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Other than the tires, your issues are mostly with the dealer...prep work when new, registration papers, leaking oil after oil change. Did you ask for a 2nd opinion on the shaking issue from another dealer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02BlkRex Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I've talked to SOA a dozen times, I've got a loaner the last two days of the two weeks the car was at the dealer. . My dealership has a contract or something with Enterprise and will foot the bill for a rental. Now that I think about it, that is kinda sad they have so many warranty issues to deal with they have to contract a rental company! Anyway, my '07 LGT was in for warranty work because it wouldn't start and I had less than 500 miles on it. My wife's '07 Forester has been in 4 times for disappearing coolant (turned out to be a bad batch of head gaskets). After the first time of bumming rides, I have demanded a loaner or rental car everytime and have gotten one. You just have to throw a big enough fit or spend $50,000+ over the course of a couple months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 My dealership has a contract or something with Enterprise and will foot the bill for a rental. Now that I think about it, that is kinda sad they have so many warranty issues to deal with they have to contract a rental company! Anyway, my '07 LGT was in for warranty work because it wouldn't start and I had less than 500 miles on it. My wife's '07 Forester has been in 4 times for disappearing coolant (turned out to be a bad batch of head gaskets). After the first time of bumming rides, I have demanded a loaner or rental car everytime and have gotten one. You just have to throw a big enough fit or spend $50,000+ over the course of a couple months. For any service beyond an oil change, my dealer offers a loaner for $5 (to cover fuel), and sometimes even sends out coupons for a free loaner. So far, the only loaners I've driven have been Foresters. I had to move a TV once, and the TV wouldn't fit in my Legacy, and I just happened to be bringing the car in for service that weekend, so I was able to move the TV with the Forester loaner. It worked out perfectly! (though that was a couple years ago, before I got my newest GT - not sure if they still do it, as I haven't had any major service done on it yet.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWP-LegacyGT Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 what the F*** is all of this shit in here? Nothing but a bunch of blustering idiots who offer empathy over sympathy simply because "it's not happening to them". F*** that and F*** cases like this. *points at Mike* You sir have options but seriously you should've dumped that shit can car before it hit 10,000 miles and now you're stuck with a POS that Subaru doesn't give two shits about because as you can tell... look at all of us... look at how "awesome" our cars are doing and that "we're" (collectively... ) not experiencing the same problems you have. If you have this documented and I mean to the point of a thesis paper here's what I would do if I were in your shoes: 1) - Get a lawyer. At this point, there is no harm in spending more money/time on this car because out of this, may be your best investment. Most likely he will push for a case of the car being "unreliable and unsafe/unfit for road travel...." just given your RE92 blowout and also oil leaking and apparently dying violently randomly. Worth every penny... so don't just "say" you'll think about it, DO IT! 2)- Your next conversations that you have with SoA over this need to be polite ones. Butter up to them about your issues but don't accuse them. Talk sweet candy in their ears until they feel like they're ready to get in bed with you and then later.... we'll jab the knife in. Also, if you can, get some of the conversations recorded but do NOT disclose to the employee's, officers, etc that they're being taped. Change your tone or you're not going to get any help from anyone, anytime, anywhere from the company. 3)- Submit a "formal" letter of compliant to Subaru sitting numerous conversations with "so-and-so" citing specific instances where you have made it known to Subaru of America that you're car is "unfit" to drive. Receive their rejection letter back and the lawyer can use that as evidence. 4)- If you truly want out, then do what everyone of would do. Start test driving new cars or used cars. Find something you like, get a good deal, go through a credit union, talk to Santa... WHATEVER.... Get rid of that F'NING CAR! The more you stew about it, the more you think how much you hate SoA, the more and more they win. Now mind you don't think that you're "screwing" them over by selling a "lemon" car (I mean hell, it still has warranty left right?) to another dealership for trade in and/or down payment on another car. The sad fact is some other sap is going to get your car when really the thing should be blown up! Lastly, This is what I would do if I were in your shoes. If I was dealt that hand if I was forced to choose. If you end up upside down in debt over a new car or a used one for a while due to Subaru's stupidity, then that's life and that's the choice. It sucks that this happens but be grateful that this forum doesn't have 1,000 more posts like yours. We're also not taking into account how shitty other cars are and/or which manufactures are WORSE than Subaru. Either way, I wish you the best and I pray that things work out. Aaron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02BlkRex Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 ^^^ do what he said minus the illegal phone recording bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWP-LegacyGT Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 ^^^ do what he said minus the illegal phone recording bit. Not illegal. From a consumer standpoint, we have every right to record them as they have to record us. Trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWP-LegacyGT Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 You could really use a Klonopin Oh aren't we cute today Heights. You're not helping Mike at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWP-LegacyGT Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 What did I do? I told him to get rid of his lemon many months ago not considered a lemon. he's gotta play hardball now to get any money out of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWP-LegacyGT Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 No, at the time we discussed it months ago, it would have qualified and thanks for brining me up to speed I do agree that he needs to be a bit more agressive with SOA about the car. amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWP-LegacyGT Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I agree When did angry SWP return? After I saw Die Hard and then saw this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegGTLT Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Die Hard make man angry, want people to kill! Please PM joeleodee For All Site Questions. He is the acting Admin and can resolve anything related to LegacyGT.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02BlkRex Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Not illegal. From a consumer standpoint, we have every right to record them as they have to record us. Trust me. Since the OP is in NY, you are correct. Not all states allow this, though. "Thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia permit individuals to record conversations to which they are a party without informing the other parties that they are doing so. Twelve states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWP-LegacyGT Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Since the OP is in NY, you are correct. Not all states allow this, though. "Thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia permit individuals to record conversations to which they are a party without informing the other parties that they are doing so. Twelve states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington." Thanks for the contribution. Hopefully this help mike out a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 .......May 2007 to now: Car has been in and out of the dealership with repeated shaking issues and throwing CELs. It has spent weeks at a time having the dealership and SOA trying to correct the issues - which is usually misfiring codes. It might work for a day or so afterwards - but the problems return. The injectors and coil packs have been replaced, but lastnight, after coming home from the movies - I parked the car, and put her into Park and the car started trembling. No CEL thrown, but the idle is definitely very rough. I am going to wait until it throws another CEL, which shouldn't be too long now.......... Since this dealer does not appear to have techs skilled with troubleshooting, they should just start replacing more parts, starting with all the sensors (temp, MAF, O2, etc), spark plugs, ECU, wiring harness, etc. Have they inspected the intake valves for deposits? Have they inspected the timing belt for proper indexing? Have they inspected the grounds? Have they inspected for intake leaks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qikslvr Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Based upon your original post. You are still under the bumper to bumper warranty. Take it to a different dealership and see what they find wrong with it. I wouldn't even tell them that it has been worked on for these issues before until or unless they mention it. The other dealer may just have rookie tech and the service manager of the month. There are only so many things that could cause a misfire if the car runs smoothly for a while between acting up. It can't really be a bad cam lobe or a dropped valve or timimng chain and so on if it runs fine for 3K-5K miles between incidents. Have you tried datalogging it while it's acting up. This would give you ammo to take with you to the dealership. Just a few questions. Did you do a proper 1000 mile break-in or did you redline it and drive it like you stole it right out of the gate? Do you get gas at the same place all the time? Did they change the coilpacks and plugs at the same time or at different visits? Have you had the ECU/fan relay changed out yet? just a couple thoughts: Your ECU may be cooked if it hasn't been replaced. This may intern be causing the misfire therefore fouling plugs which could eventually cook the coil packs too and the other way around. You should request that they replace the ECU, coilpacks and plugs all in one shot. This would at least make sure that most if not all of the electronics related to this function are not killing each other in a roundabout kinda way. I personally would take it to a recommended or known good dealer and tell them what's happening at present and ask them to give you an equivelent loaner and tell them to fix it and tell them you don't want it back until it is running perfectly and they can tell you exactly what the problem was and what was done including what parts were used to fix it (you may even want to request to see the parts that were replaced). When you get the car back; datalog it so you have a log of it "running well". Then datalog it or at least look at the values once a week until it happens again. This will give you something to compare to if/when it happens again. As for the first issue about the paperwork. The dealer has 30 days to submit the title to the county(at least here in most states in the midwest) and it is not uncommon for it to take longer. If they don't get it done; you just go back and get new In-Transits or Paper Plates or whatever they use in your state. For the rest. If 40 minutes is too far to drive to get your car fixed properly; then you are just settling and accepting the current dealers failure. If something happens once and they fix it and it happens again and they fix it and it happens a third time go somewhere else. H*ll I'm in Omaha,NE (pop.~650,000 in the county) and we have 2 Subaru dealers. One is at least 40 minutes away and the close one is 20-40 minutes away in the other direction depending upon traffic. How far is too far to drive to take a family member to a good doctor? How many times are you going to take you child or spouse to the same doctor if they get sick with the same symptoms again and again and the doctor can't tell you why? You would be at a different doctor immediately or even better a specialist a hundred miles away. Right? So what's the difference. Get a second opinion. Let's kick this pig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opie Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Wow...a few incidents of "shaking" and it's the most unreliable vehicle ever? Maybe I'm missing something but I read the OP three times to be sure...I see several dealer issues, a Bridgestone issue and the shaking concern... Have you tried a different dealer? Have a case # with SOA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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krzyss Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Not ECU reset but ECU recall. Fan relay may get stuck and fries ECU in turn. Subaru did this something like 6-9 months ago. Was your car in dealership for ECU recall? Krzys PS I woul drive 40 minutes just to hear different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qikslvr Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 The plot thickens. First off they all seem to idle rough. Late model Legacy GTs will seem to idle rough after they get a few miles on them and the motor and tranny mounts get broken in and softened up a bit. My stick shifter shakes like an old man with palsy some days but when you touch it; it's not necessarily the idle, it's the rockin of the drivetrain from all that power. I even get a rough idle flag on cylinders 1 and 4 in the datalog sometimes. Another cause of the rough idle feel is becasue of the unequal length headers. It pushes the exhaust from two cylinders down the pipe at a time which gives us our unique Subaru Boxer sound. Put your factory intake back on and see how it runs. In theory the intake is the last part you should change out since it will almost certainly require a tune to get it to run right and you can't move that much more air anyway without at least a tune and changing out the downpipe. Have you ever asked them to perform the REQUIRED RECALL CHECK of the Fan Relay and the ECU? If not, this would be a real good place to start. If you turn the key forward to the ON position (the last click before starting the car) and your fans come on even when the car is cold, then you need to have the fan relay and possibly even the engine control unit(ECU) replaced. Take the intake off, put the factory one back on, disconnect the battery for a few minutes to reset the ECU and hook it back up, take it for a half hour cruise and let us know how it runs. COBB specifically states that thier tunes are not to be used with aftermarket intakes. TDC will make a custom map that compensates for your aftermarket intake. I just had a new one made for my car last week. It totally changed how smooth the car runs with the AEM CAI. If you haven't already done it; have the RECALL ISSUE addressed!!! Do you have a Cobb Access Port in use? Let's kick this pig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waxiboy Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Wow...a few incidents of "shaking" and it's the most unreliable vehicle ever? Maybe I'm missing something but I read the OP three times to be sure...I see several dealer issues, a Bridgestone issue and the shaking concern... Have you tried a different dealer? Have a case # with SOA? Same as what I had said. The dealer messed up from the start (paper work & prep), this should have raised a red flag already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eles1 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 it's not necessarily the idle, it's the rockin of the drivetrain from all that power. Corvettes manage to idle smoothly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Corvettes manage to idle smoothly... Yeah, but they have twice the number of cylinders to smooth out the idle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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