jmn69 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Just wanted to drop a line saying bye to all my friends on LGT forum. I kicked my LGT to the curb after 2500 miles. Below are the problems which instigated my costly decision. Thanks to Pete for buying my Blizzaks and Ed for your moral support through my ordeal. 1. I got stuck in 5 inches of snow with Blizzak's on. 2. Clutch had sgnificant chatter taking off from first -dealer denied a problem 3. Clutch stunk so bad I nearly vomited once- dealer denied 4. Lack of on board stability control 5. Had major studder problem when I floored it around 3500-4000 RPMS severe enough to make my head bob. Happened about 50% of the time. The dealer denied it and said it was turbo lag even after I explained that it happened after the turbo already kicked in with full throttle. 6. Suspension felt like mush and hd a lot of body roll- worse than my sisters boring Accord 4 cyl. 7. Steering wheel was off center--and it wasn't due to the banked roads. The dealer denied this also and said it was "normal because I had Blizzaks and aftermarket wheels on the car" What a load of B.S. So I ended up trading the car in for a MazdaSpeed 6 which I have had for about 1 month now. I know there are a lot of haters here with biased oppinions. Since I have owned both cars I think I am in a good position to comment on why I like the MS6 better. 1. Suspension set up is much better, and steering is less boosted giving a much better feel. 2. Has on board stability control /TCS--this technology has been shown to significantly reduce accidents. 3. Better tires --18" with Bridgestone RE50 vs. RE92's on the LGT 4. Standard 6 speed tranny with better shifter feel. Clutch on MS6 sucks and makes it hard to drive car smoothly though. 5. Better Value for the Price. LGT Limited = $27000 (no nav) MS6 GT = $27000 (with Nav) 6. Car and Driver article "Quickest cars under $30K" 0-50 and 0-100 times are identical for LGT and MS6. LGT is quicker by .1 Sec on 0-60 due to not having to shift into 3rd. 7. Better gas mileage. I got 19-20 mpg from my LGT vs. 21-22 from the MS6 so far driving both of them fairly agressively. 8. THe MS6 has standard HID lights, LGT should have these what gives? I can see better at night with the MS6. 9. LGT was quiter than the MS6. Could be due to the tires though. In summary, don't bash it until you've tried it-I've owned both vehicles. peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Sounds like you had a typical Subaru Dealer. Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eqt2010 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 How many seconds does your MS6 take from 0-->100mph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impulse Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 ouch, sounds like you had a horrible experience with your dealer. if you're still around, where do you live and what year model car did you have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laz Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Sounds like you had a car made on a Friday afternoon in Indiana right after the 6th beer of the pack. GL X --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn69 Posted March 15, 2007 Author Share Posted March 15, 2007 Car was an 07 LGT from Rafferty Subaru Newtown SQUARE, PA.Forgot to say MS6 has keyless start which is cool too. But it doesn't play MP3 cds. I haven't timed my 0-100 yet hope it doesn't suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexylegacy Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 The MS6 is a great looking, great performing car. Good luck man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucas569 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 wow sorry to hear, i have an 05 and knock on wood i dont have none of the typical problems... and i flog the sob alot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azca Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 the clutch on MS6 sucks or on your old lgt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilT Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Sounds like you had a lemon, but how can you complain about lack of stability control, didn't you know the car didn't have it when you bought it ? You might change your mind about the MS6 once the summer hits, can you say heat soak ? Double Award Winning Legacy GT Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmn69 Posted March 15, 2007 Author Share Posted March 15, 2007 mazda clutcth is heavy and hard to drive smoothly. shifter is better than lgt though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianspi Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 I agree about the shifter. I tested a mazda3 and the shifter was absolutely stunning. Perfectly centered with the driver's hand and nice and silky. I was definitely thinking of getting a mazda3 but I didn't want another WRD car. enough zip ties and duct tape will fix anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawdaddy79 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Stability control can be intrusive, especially if you're trying to have fun. Regarding the clutch stink, yes it's abnormal, but easily avoidable by properly applying the clutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney07 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Sorry for your problems man. And if anyone gives you any crap about YOUR decision...kick THEM to the curb. Now first...you should have gotten a Mazdaspeed3 wagon...it would kick your 6's arse. No AWD, but I don't think you are after the AWD if you are going after the 6. The LGT "should" be able to outperform the 6 in the snow. I know your experience says otherwise. I've had my Legacy in some of the worst conditions you'd imagine...chains required on the passes...except AWD...and I am here to tell you that even with RE92's I've never gotten stuck. Obviously our experiences differ. So really, good luck with the Mazda. I admire, respect ALL makes (ok, maybe Kia and Hyundai miss the list). VW, Audi, Mitsubishi, BMW, Mercedes, even the domestics....crap, it's YOUR money! Sure I love my Subie, but I can't say I'd be in a different place if I had the experiences you've had.... Just don't be a stranger...ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STG Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 How could your Subaru dealer deny the fact that you nearly vomited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal2You Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Regarding the clutch stink, yes it's abnormal, but easily avoidable by properly applying the clutch. No, the stink is quite normal. No, he is not using improper technique. This has been gone over many times on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous1 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 The MS6 is a great car, I just prefer the LGT due to the aftermarket performance potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawdaddy79 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 No, the stink is quite normal. Strange, because the LGT is the only car that I've driven that has it. No, he is not using improper technique.I didn't realize you were sitting in the car right next to him the whole time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 You got stuck in 5" of snow???? I've driven the OB through alsmot 2 feet before...granted I have a few extra inches, but still. may favorite thing to point out about mazda AWD...Why does it get hot enough that it needs to be liquid cooled? My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudy Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 4. Lack of on board stability control Finest stability control (short of Porsche's PSM) didn't save anyone in this circumstance: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-golfer1107mar11,0,5372763.story?coll=orl-home-headlines Can't overcome physics. Stability control can come on and correct in certain, narrow circumstances. But, once you go beyond the tire's limit, it's game over - as evident above. "Effective" stability control, like the way Volvo programs it, is way intrusive completely robbing the car of any degree of sporting intentions. Might as well have it prevent you from going over 75 mph, it's that invasive in cornering IMO (We own an S40). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal2You Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Strange, because the LGT is the only car that I've driven that has it. I thought you meant it was strange in the LGT. I meant that is common in the LGT. Why tell the guy he was using improper technique if you know the LGT clutch stinks up the place when any other clutch would be fine. I guess you must have been watching him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawdaddy79 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Why tell the guy he was using improper technique if you know the LGT clutch stinks up the place when any other clutch would be fine. Regardless, if you use less than 1 second to apply the clutch at ~2500 RPMs there will be no stink - at least that's the case with my car. The very first time I encountered it, I was on a hill at a red light. I was waiting for the light to turn green and I wanted to be ready to go... so I half held the clutch while giving it gas. Yes, it was nasty smelling. No, I will not ever do that again. My other car the only time I smelled the clutch was when I was screwing around going from a dead stop in 5th gear. Obviously the LGT's clutch stinks easier and more than other cars. But it's still avoidable. If nothing else, avoiding the stink will lengthen the life of your clutch because you definitely know when it isn't happy. I have my own gripes about the car, but the smelly clutch and lack of stability control are far from what I have in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awdG35killer Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 yeah crappy nissan dealers around me were reason enough to trade up to my LGT back then. sorry to hear about your probs and GOOD LUCK with the MS6! its a great car imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 If you had trouble in snow with the Subaru and snow tires, watch out with the MS6 and the summer treads that come on it. -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillboy Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Sounds to me like someone: a) Doesn't know how to properly research a major purchase. b) Can't communicate properly / accurately with dealership service department. c) Doesn't know how to drive in snow. It is still ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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