IwannaSportSedan Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 No... The dreaded diesel fuel in the gas tank problem. That problem affets their staff, and only the car indirectly. There have been a few lemon legacys, to be sure, but by and large, it is a very reliable car, considering larger company's recall/TSB rates per vehicle manufactured. But even reliable cars can only take so much abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirSix Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I wonder if they were experiencing the dreaded studder. Oh I have no doubt, but I dont recall the article title being "Long Term Road Test: Subaru Legacy GT". What a stupid mag I tell myself that an N/A Forester is just an STI without all the fluff like, power, handling, style, racing heritage, and curb appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeTrout Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 I'm not even sure their "reliability" problems were the fault of the diesel they dumped into it. A friend of mine had diesel pumped into his 06 OBXT due to the fuel carrier truck pumping the wrong load into the Premium tank of the gas station (yikes!). He got a couple miles down the road and the car stalled. They towed it (properly, on a flat bed) back to the gas station (also a service station) and the problem was identified before they ran the engine again. Emptied it, filled it back up with premium, and 10k miles later, no problems. Frankly, considering that one of the problems C&D had was a burnt out clutch, I would say flogging was their main problem. Even Motorweek, as conservatively as they drove the spec.B, didn't freaking know how to drive the car. On the drag strip, it was lunging and squatting like a drunk sailor. On the way to 6.1 s 0-60?!? Now that I've driven that car, there's no way a decent driver would get that while shifting properly. And to get as much body roll as they did on the slalom, they had to be going 110. The car is tight, stock. Ich bin echt viel netter, wenn ich nuechtern bin. Echt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobE Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 I think he was just pointing out the quality of editors at C&D, if they are stupid enough to do this, why even consider their opinion. http://newenglandsubarus.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewLegGT67 Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 why list no STI? This was for the The Quickest Cars of 2007 $25 - $30K. Isn't the STi over 30K? I'm probably the only person that has Wu-Tang Clan and Paul McCartney on their mp3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_templer_102 Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 Now it is. I think its about 33K MSRP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 Now it is. I think its about 33K MSRP. Which is quite a racket, but if people pay that much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 welcome to post #8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2intense Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 Are all the 07's even out yet? Surprised there's no Mazdaspeed 3 on there considering a lot of guys say its faster then the MS6. Dodge is also coming out with the Caliber SRT4 which is supposed to be 300 awd and stick. Caliber and MSP3 are under 25 grand thats why they are not included at least thats what C and R listed them as before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2intense Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 also the Caliber SRT 4 is front wheel drive not all wheel drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDevil Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 what a budget go fast package that would be in awd. i thought the original intent was for the caliber srt-4 to be awd? the neon srt-4 was a killer little drivetrain, but i just couldn't get over the platform. it would have been fine for me when I was 20, but a little too harsh for my tastes now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon in CT Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 why list no STI?edit.....$30k. You'd be hardpressed to get an EVO or Redline for under $30k, so the list is bunk real-worldMSRP for the STi was over $31K the day it arrived here in 2003 and has risen since. Current MSRP for an Evo RS starts at $29,149 and some dealers are asking as little as $27,499 including destination fee (see http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=245110). I seriously doubt any Mitsubishi dealers are demanding more than MSRP for Evos these days. So your opinion is bunk real-world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 As if all STI's have only been sold at MSRP either. My dealer was selling 2004 STI's at $28500 in Jan 2005, so WTF is your point besides insulting me? If you choose to continue this, we can handle it offline....you've been on thin ice here for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tytek Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 Agreed. They affected the skidpad, too. Compare with the 2007 spec.B with the same exact brakes at 122 to 130 ft. That kind of difference is not all due to suspension on a slightly heavier car. above numbers are from 60-0 right??? not 70-0....?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon in CT Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 As if all STI's have only been sold at MSRP either. My dealer was selling 2004 STI's at $28500 in Jan 2005, so WTF is your point besides insulting me?WTF does the price that a 2004 STi sold for in Jan 2005 have to do with a discussion of 2007 model year cars? I'm not surprised your dealer was desperate to ditch 2004 STi's in Jan 2005 given that the much-improved 2005 STI began arriving on dealer lots in May, 2004, eight months earlier. The dealer invoice plus destination for a 2007 STI is $32,243. There's no way on earth a dealer will sell you a 2007 STI today for less than $30,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 about as much as your comparison of a street price of an EVO has to do with this article, which is based on MSRP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon in CT Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 about as much as your comparison of a street price of an EVO has to do with this article, which is based on MSRP.I was only responding to your assertion that the list of cars was invalid because the Evo couldn't be purchased for less than $30K in the "real world." I wanted to correct that misconception in case anyone reading this thread might think you knew what you were talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 you missed my point, but that's not surprising. your continued slights mean so much coming from someone with your rep. PM sent with infraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vimy101 Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 you missed my point, but that's not surprising. your continued slights mean so much coming from someone with your rep. PM sent with infraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ed Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 they put diesel in their LGT..... and people actually read this shit. i would never consider an opinion from editors that filled up a gas car with diesel. I gave up on car and driver a long time ago. They recently had a list of great performance cars under 30k..... #1 was the evo got props on everything but comfort. #2 mustang gt got s horrible review but still made #2 spot STI was toward the bottom of this list but had an excellent write up by the driver. They claimed both the STI and Evo could be ORDERED for around 29,xxx oddly enough, the legacy and forester were not on the list, yet the sti was?????? each car was driven by DIFFERENT drivers as well. How do you compare? another by car and driver: Ford is also running ads on the Fusion all wheel drive and how it amazed test drivers from across the country when test driven with Accord and Camry...neither of the competition was AWD, and details were not given on engine sizes. Sad really, most of the (not all) test drives are done by jack and jill off the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtsites Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 Car and Drive always does this to the Legacy. Except for the article comparing AWD models last year when the place the Legacy 2nd. They did give alot of props in that article. It's the little stuff like in the headline placeing pictures of 1,2,and 3 but skipping the legacy in 4th for the pathetic Z that placed 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dong Homez Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Hahahahaha I can't stop laughing tonight for some reason... hmmm maybe it was this? Autoweek January 15, 2007 Issue page 14 Smokin' Deals Sedan 2007 Subaru Legacy, MSRP $20,795; $750 cash back or 2.9 percent financing Hahahaha then there's a picture of a Spec B underneath Nice one Autoweek!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Charlie Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I stopped reading Autoweek years ago. Do they still do road tests without ever seeing the cars? That might explain that ad- they don't know what one looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suebuhroo Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I just can't believe how well the LGT does just versus the 350Z. The Z has 50 more hp if you go by the old SAE measurements so it would seem that even though it won't lauch like the Subaru, it would catch up during the 1/4 with that extra 50 hp. Timewise it didn't, but the mph was 2 better which means it was catching up, just not as fast as I thought. Impressive for the LGT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Car and Drive always does this to the Legacy. Except for the article comparing AWD models last year when the place the Legacy 2nd. They did give alot of props in that article. It's the little stuff like in the headline placeing pictures of 1,2,and 3 but skipping the legacy in 4th for the pathetic Z that placed 5th. That was Road and Track that had that article. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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