I'M SO FCKIN PISS3D...i COULD SUE SOA

[PhilT]

Well you live in Canada so you don't have to worry about it. And I disagree with #1 polluter, China might take the cake on that one. But we simply use more fossil fuels than EU, they don't drive as much, and they are smaller in almost every way. But that doesn't mean we are less environmentally aware..In fact I think it is the opposite, hence my point on emissions-ay.

 

Oooo, I love statistics.....

 

The following attachments speak for themselves, China beats the US on Sulphur dioxide, but that's all, and compared to the comparitive populations, the US is leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am no tree hugger, but the only thing smaller in Europe is the size of the people and the cars they drive !

CO2_2005.pdf

cli4_2003.pdf

[Always Dirty]

chips are unavoidable, all you can do is take precautions to prevent them. the biggest one for me is just drive the speed limit in the right lane while on the highway. and don't drive behind trucks without mudflaps. or you know what, if you want to keep a perfect car, just don't drive at all.

These are pretty retarded points and suggestions, IMO. I've owned a number of black cars over the years with hundreds of thousands of left lane, high speed miles on them, and none have ever had anywhere near the number of chips I'm missing from my 05 LGT's bumper and hood at 20k miles. I'm chalking it up to more cheap quality from SOA (see also interior faux metallic trim pieces, carpet, headliner, etc.). I guess if I was expecting more I should have shelled out for a luxury brand.

[KTM 525]

Well I will say after owning a few cars in my time this car is by far the worst as far as chips go. I have 15,000 miles on my car and it has more chips in the hood than a Frito Lay delivery truck carries in it. I read about the paint quality issues before I took delivery of the car and they have proven true. While I will say any car will get chips over time and it is expected but this Subaru flavor of paint plain sucks ass.

[Enlight]

OCDetails, do you know what's the price range from a crappy, to good, to spectacular repaint job?

[Rommel]

It's not SOAs fault that we have crappy paint quality, it's the EPA. EPA banned the use of lead which makes the paint stronger.

[hondas123]

It's not SOAs fault that we have crappy paint quality, it's the EPA. EPA banned the use of lead which makes the paint stronger.

 

Perhaps, but why does Honda and Toyota have better paint IMO. This is my first Subaru and it is by far the worst paint I've had on a car. My others have been Honda's, Toyota, and Nissan.

[Rommel]

my wife used to have a Camry as a company car and the paint on that car is just the same as my Legacy

[Always Dirty]

Do they use lead in the clearcoat too?

 

I find it extremely hard to believe that this is an industry-wide problem.

[dark_rex]

I think they are far more enviromentally aware in Europe than over here

 

that's a riot (and completely untrue)

[OCDetails]

It is a problem on cars painted in the United States. If your Honda or Toyota or Mercedes was painted outside of the US then the paint is going to be different and likely not as thin or as prone to orange peel and chipping/scratching.

[jim malach]

Yea my brother had his mustang front bumper re-painted from a recall from ford this was back in 1992 maybe if we bitch we can get a recall on our cars????????

[PhilT]

that's a riot (and completely untrue)

 

You speak through your ass my friend

[Fallschirmjaeger]

USA and Austrailia have declined to ratify the Kyoto Protocols, China (either the largest or second largest) and India are not affected by the Protocols.

 

Now, just why would an agreemend supposedly for the purpose of reducing several greenhouse emissions and Carbon Dioxide EXEMPT two of the largest producers of said emmisions? I kinda wonder if one of the unspoken aspects of the Protocols is weakening certain enonomies?

 

National targets range from 8% reductions for the European Union and some others to 7% for the US, 6% for Japan, 0% for Russia, and permitted increases of 8% for Australia and 10% for Iceland. Ummm... I thought the idea was to save the planet by reducing emissions...?

 

Oh, I used to drive a Mazda MX5, it also had an aluminium hood and had rock pits just as much as the Legacy. I wonder if which Hondas, Nissans and Toyotas have aluminium hoods?

[jsalicru]

Hah, you guys complain about SOA paint quality... you've seen nothing.

 

I invite any of you to look at the hood paint on my 00 Civic Si. the whole thing has cracks all over it. Worse part is that you can't simply sand it and repaint it... Every painter that has seen it says its gotta go down all the way to the metal. Almost not worth it.

 

Before this one I had a 99 Civic Si in Puerto Rico back in 02-03. Same thing.

[Robdownunder]

www.rockblocker.com

 

Paint issues caused by objects striking the paint while driving are not covered by warranty...so what would be the basis of your lawsuit?

 

Well they'll just say "stop getting so close to cars in front of you."

Can't expect them to cover that. It happens in all cars if the impact is hard enough.

Rob.

[Pinochle]

Lots of paint chips on your bumper and hood = you're tailgating too much.

[wukindada]

^ Tailgating my ASS......

I drive I-4 on a daily basis M-F. I never tailgate....I do however pas 8-10 rock haulers per day.

That is why my car has so many chips...yes the paint is thin......I should have installed the Rockblocker full kit I purchased.

 

I simply found installation to be far to difficult for me & I am def was not going to pay someone 375.00 to install it.

 

So now....I have the chips....I live with them.....hate them.....will be getting the front bumber & hood painted sometime next year:(

[eamiller]

that's a riot (and completely untrue)

 

I agree with dark_rex. I bet if you look at pollution in the past 20 years per miles driven or per registered car (possibly excluding CO2, which really isn't pollution), Europe is going to be higher on the really bad stuff (NOx and CO). They didn't even start fitting their cars with catalysts until the early 90s (they were still using leaded fuel). People complain about the US and car emissions, but the EPA was lightyears ahead of every other country in the 70s. It's taken them this long to catch up with us.

 

Of course, now that they have catalysts, they love to point the finger of blame to the US. We're the world's favorite punching bag.

[mwiener2]

you guys want an issue with the paint you could actually get somewhere with...try this:

 

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a257/mwiener2/IMG_0844.jpg

 

That's an issue that is totally dependant on the painting process and not about crap hitting the car, or weather or anything.

[PhilT]

I agree with dark_rex. I bet if you look at pollution in the past 20 years per miles driven or per registered car (possibly excluding CO2, which really isn't pollution), Europe is going to be higher on the really bad stuff (NOx and CO). They didn't even start fitting their cars with catalysts until the early 90s (they were still using leaded fuel). People complain about the US and car emissions, but the EPA was lightyears ahead of every other country in the 70s. It's taken them this long to catch up with us.

 

Of course, now that they have catalysts, they love to point the finger of blame to the US. We're the world's favorite punching bag.

 

Go to any major European city and see for yourself. Masses using public transport, cycling, walking to work. Then compare it to any major US city.

 

The US is the world's largest polluter, industrial and automotive. Until the US gets a government which wants to punish people with higher taxes for driving gas guzzlers then the problem will always be there. See post #27 for the proof.

 

The UK offers big tax breaks if you drive a car under 1.4 litres, and also taxes cars on their CO emissions. That would be an interesting proposition over here.

[mccorry]

Geesh.... trade the cars in already if the paint is so bad or go buy some touch up and live with it. If you drive them... you are going to get wear and chips. Fact of life.

 

And as far as appearance issues...why did you purchase the car in the first place if you were unhappy with the finish? Walk the lot of any manufacturer and you will see orange peel.

[wukindada]

^^

It will NEVER happen in my lifetime;)

 

Think about even making that displacement 3.0L.....I would be willing to say over half of the new vehicles sold in the US are over that.

 

Does anyone notice the new Z06 gets 27mpg on the freeway:eek:

 

Let's get down to brass tacks....make all MT's sold in the US 6 speeds & make all Auto equipped vehicles 7AT's the technology is there now.......Dooooooooooeeeeeeeet!

 

Our cars MPG would go up @ least 10-15% possibly more with a 7EAT:)

[IwannaSportSedan]

Go to any major European city and see for yourself. Masses using public transport, cycling, walking to work. Then compare it to any major US city.

 

The US is the world's largest polluter, industrial and automotive. Until the US gets a government which wants to punish people with higher taxes for driving gas guzzlers then the problem will always be there. See post #27 for the proof.

 

The UK offers big tax breaks if you drive a car under 1.4 litres, and also taxes cars on their CO emissions. That would be an interesting proposition over here.

 

they tax all cars on engine displacement, IIRC. and the taxes are much higher, on the cars and the gas, and everything. Not to mention parking in a city that was built half a millenium before automobiles were invented.

 

Also, compare the structure of european cities vs. american cities. Paris as an example, the nice neighborhoods, and the affluent parts of paris are CLOSE to downtown, and the less affluent neighborhoods are further to the outskirts... The people closer to the center of the city don't have to walk 25 miles to work... Maybe a moderate distance for a walk or bicycle trip.

 

People living in Chicago, NY, LA, or any number of very spread out american cities often have to drive in excess of twenty miles, and often MUCH further to get to work... How many hours a day do you want to walk or bicycle to work?

 

At least most cities have some public transit, but that still doesn't reach some outlying suburbs...

 

In the Midwest, there is NO public transportation. and I can't walk 30+ miles on a state highway in a rural setting to get to work. the weather changes often enough that I sometimes don't even want to ride my motorcycle some days, let alone a bicycle.

 

My point is that it is apples and oranges comparison. City structures, cultural and social differences, socialist government, and all sorts of things make a big difference.

 

Not to mention that Germany, the world's number three industrialized economy (behind US and Japan) is still only as economically large as a moderate to large STATE in the united states. India and China are both growing faster than the US, and will soon eclipse countries like Germany and Japan, and probably already have eclipsed other EU countries.

 

Economies require energy. No two ways about it, and the EU as a whole is a smaller economy, and is barely growing...

 

So, to blast the US for being the biggest polluter, has to be tempered with a context of economic growth that such emissions are a result of, and I'll bet that adjustment makes the US appear more efficient under stricter rules, and closer to reality.

 

Such restrictions are likely a big reason that european and asian constructed cars have thicker and more resilient paint that american constructed cars, where the paint emissions have to be more tightly controlled.

 

[/off-Topic, sorry for the continuing hijack.]

 

ON TOPIC

 

Anyway, I think it sucks that the paint is of such marginal quality that I will probably have to wrap the front end of my impending new car with 3M plastic just to keep it in decent shape... at my own additional expense above the cost of the car.

 

There has to be a better option than that, but I am not counting on it.

[mccorry]

^^

It will NEVER happen in my lifetime;)

 

Think about even making that displacement 3.0L.....I would be willing to say over half of the new vehicles sold in the US are over that.

 

Does anyone notice the new Z06 gets 27mpg on the freeway:eek:

 

Let's get down to brass tacks....make all MT's sold in the US 6 speeds & make all Auto equipped vehicles 7AT's the technology is there now.......Dooooooooooeeeeeeeet!

 

Our cars MPG would go up @ least 10-15% possibly more with a 7EAT:)

 

The Z06 also has about 200 ft-lb more torque at 2000 RPM than our cars. If you overdrive our motors that far ... they would bog down.

 

I agree that a slight OD 6th speed would be nice... but you aren't going to be happy with a 0.86:1 final drive ratio with our flat 4's.

[Always Dirty]

The US is the world's largest polluter, industrial and automotive. Until the US gets a government which wants to punish people with higher taxes for driving gas guzzlers then the problem will always be there. See post #27 for the proof.

 

Not even close. China blows the US clean out of the water in that regard.