DadBod Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Copy pasta from WDYDTY4thGTD: Finally got the wagon running. Sort of... Discovered that my turbo oil drain line wasn't fully seated (wife not happy about the driveway,) and the DP to mid gasket is leaking. Spent an excessive amount of time getting the drain line clamped properly, then tightened up the DP connection, now it won't start. Tested battery and starter, both good. Signal wire to starter is good. All grounds good. Tried with a jump box jic it needed a boost to crank. I hear rapid clicking when I turn to key on engine off. Sounds like coming from the throttle body. If I try to crank it I get one half crank then it sounds like the engine locks. I can turn the engine over via the crank pulley, so that should mean engine isn't seized, right? Going to pull the plugs tomorrow, but I'm kinda lost on what to check next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadBod Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 Will be pulling the plugs later today to see if they're fouled, or if the cylinders are somehow flooded. Battery terminals are new, clean, and tight. Battery fully charged. Alternator is new, starter is new (put old starter back in jic, got same result.) No coolant loss, no oil loss. :spin::spin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 check every electrical connection? pull the fsm for "won't start" conditions? you can use a voltmeter to check some things at the fuse box, for others you'll need a diag tool. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holla Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Double check all the grounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infosecdad Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Have you tried again after charging the battery overnight? If you can turn by hand, that's good. If it can only turn part way before giving up, then it sounds like the force needed to turn over the engine is more than the starter can provide. When you say "tested the battery and starter", how did you test them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I remember once on the race car, it wouldn't start after putting the engine in. I thought for a second and for some reason went right to the ground wire at the starter. Took it off, cleaned it, put it back on, car fired right up. Hopefully this is something simple too. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadBod Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 Bad news. Pulled the TMIC, checked and cleaned all the grounds. Everything good there. Checked the chassis to head grounds, also good (and should be bc they were just replaced.) Put a known good battery in - from the OBXT - cranked and got the same results as before. Pulled the plugs, starting with cyl 2. Soon as the plug came out a rush of fuel came after it. Same with cyl 1. Plugs in 3 & 4 came out w/o a splash, but I don’t think they look good. So, any idea what would cause cylinders 1 & 2 to flood? Bad injectors? Two bad injectors? Pics of plugs for reference: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infosecdad Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I was going to ask about hydro lock... Did you mess with the injectors at all? Sometimes the o-rings not properly sealing can lead to leaking from the fuel line into the cylinder. You'll need to change your oil likely after you solve this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackobxt Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Change oil before any cranking. Might be a good idea to spray some fogging oil in the cylinders since all the oil will be washed off of them. Also second on messing with the injectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I was going to ask about hydro lock... Did you mess with the injectors at all? Sometimes the o-rings not properly sealing can lead to leaking from the fuel line into the cylinder. You'll need to change your oil likely after you solve this. hmmm...this might have my ca's problem. sorry, OP Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadBod Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 Alright, plan of attack for tomorrow (or this weekend): Mess w/injectors (they're ID1050Xs, might be worth sending them back to ID for cleaning/flow-testing as a CYA?) Replace spark plugs Drain oil Refill with fresh oil (thanks Prime Day!) Cross fingers and try to crank it again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadBod Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 hmmm...this might have my ca's problem. sorry, OP Please tell me the solution wasn't a new short block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Please tell me the solution wasn't a new short block not my engine but so far no. Although it does need a reseal as leaking oil everywhere. injectors came out yesterday with a cascade of fuel even after running without fuel fuse. it was running with codes. trying to clear the codes without spending a fortune on parts. lots of busted parts & wtf changes exist in the engine bay Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWaters Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 After installing my ID 1050x injectors I turned the key on w/engine off to check for leaks. I heard rapid clicking, so I immediately shut it off and what I found was that I had accidentally plugged the left over (from delete) tgv sensor plug into the injector pig tail on #4. Not sure that you’re having the same issue but the rapid clicking and flooded cylinders sounds like injectors are being energized not just stuck open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadBod Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 I will definitely check this. I have IAG TGV deletes, so it is very possible that I did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadBod Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 After installing my ID 1050x injectors I turned the key on w/engine off to check for leaks. I heard rapid clicking, so I immediately shut it off and what I found was that I had accidentally plugged the left over (from delete) tgv sensor plug into the injector pig tail on #4. Not sure that you’re having the same issue but the rapid clicking and flooded cylinders sounds like injectors are being energized not just stuck open. Welp. Looks like this was it. Verified wires against the FSM and confirmed that I borked it plugging everything back together. New plugs to hopefully go in tomorrow. Oil already drained and refilled. Fingers crossed that it runs and that I didn't permanently muck anything up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Good Luck, hopefully that's it... 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackobxt Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 You will be alright. After you get it running, check and smell your oil. if it smells like fuel change it again, it can trash your motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWaters Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Glad it was a simple fix. As was said above you may want add a small amount oil into each cylinder and turn over by hand a few times before start up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadBod Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 Got it up and running today. Still need to flash the tune to it before I try to move it though. Started putting the front end back together too. Needs paint, but I think it’s going to look good with the facelift SpecB bumper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackobxt Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Good to hear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tehnation Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Wait, did the 4th gens come with plastic covers over the wiper fluid filler/battery area and steering reservoir cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow05gtRI Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Wait, did the 4th gens come with plastic covers over the wiper fluid filler/battery area and steering reservoir cap? JDM/EDM I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tehnation Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) me likey, anyway to get one ? That car is lhd, can't be jdm. Thats gotta be a usdm. Also says he's in DC, so states. Is it a wagon thing? Edited October 22, 2020 by Tehnation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonamedude Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Nah I'm pretty sure it's an edm thing. Yea you can get some places. I think second hand is the easiest to find them. I belive madrig also makes carbon ones. AFAIK it was not a usdm option or accessory. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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