Sgt.Gator Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Subaru told me the avcs cam gears are a non serviceable item. They won't open them up. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Outfront will service them: https://www.outfrontmotorsports.com/avcs-cam-gear-services/avcs-cam-gear-servicing Nothing like a race track to find the weak points in man and machine. "Good Judgement comes from Experience. Experience comes from Bad Judgement" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jersdunz Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 Please tell me I'm tripping.. .http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161123/0e0b4daa8f412fe99be18655bd44dd02.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jersdunz Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 So yea I'm a noob.. I got my block back today. Maybe get to do a bit of reconstruction this weekend. Flip the pistons around and the skirt clearance is as it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jersdunz Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 I also managed to get a few more steps on the Tumbler housings. The side holes are 21/64 which is exactly what a 3/8-24 tap calls for. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161123/8c885f0a6efd34fb0a66a2489849e40a.jpg http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161123/8f3d1b63204123c94d6794c7e3dc7166.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StkmltS Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Looking good. The visible mark on your block between the cylinders looks pretty light, almost like its just from a fingernail pushing super hard. Is it IN the material or ON the material? Try rubbing on it to see if it comes off. Either way I wouldn't worry about it because of how shallow it looks. My DiySB rebuild Got Misfires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jersdunz Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 Looking good. The visible mark on your block between the cylinders looks pretty light, almost like its just from a fingernail pushing super hard. Is it IN the material or ON the material? Try rubbing on it to see if it comes off. Either way I wouldn't worry about it because of how shallow it looks. Unfortunately, they recommended decking both surfaces head/block. i'll get a closer look at those marks later this evening after I get them back. I met up with the Machinist last night and gave the block back. It still had chips in the head bolt holes and water jackets. I did call outfront and talked to Jeremy he informed me that they have a very fast turnaround on those Gears.. -- I'm considering before I ship them over, to try and locate an intake cam and Make my own tools as they have in there video. Not sure which route to go just yet. I'd love to have that extra $100 Once in a while if I had the tools to reassemble them correctly. I wonder what they are doing for O-rings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Has the machine shop guy's seen the pistons ? Have you talked with them about the piston to wall gap's ? Having the surfaces decked is a good idea, helps the HG seal. You do have ARP heads studs going in, right ? A may have asked that already, but they are that important. If your doing the rings, do you know to open the gaps up a little more then the manual say's too ? 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StkmltS Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 If your doing the rings, do you know to open the gaps up a little more then the manual say's too ? Or buy NPR rings that are pre-gapped to the STI spec. Their p/n is SWF20068. I didn't know they were pre-gapped, but I measured all of them (in my cylinders) and each gap was within the STI spec (over the spec for the LGT). I think the oil control rings have the same spec'd gap, so those were also within the LGT spec. My DiySB rebuild Got Misfires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birkhoff Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Unfortunately, they recommended decking both surfaces head/block. i'll get a closer look at those marks later this evening after I get them back. I met up with the Machinist last night and gave the block back. It still had chips in the head bolt holes and water jackets. I did call outfront and talked to Jeremy he informed me that they have a very fast turnaround on those Gears.. -- I'm considering before I ship them over, to try and locate an intake cam and Make my own tools as they have in there video. Not sure which route to go just yet. I'd love to have that extra $100 Once in a while if I had the tools to reassemble them correctly. I wonder what they are doing for O-rings? It is completely do-able to open up the gear, but you need a 5-lobe tool of the right size and a mandrel to align the back plate when you put it back together. I did this in my rebuild. See post #45 here http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2005-legacy-gt-wagon-bone-stock-rebuild-239871p3.html At the time I understood the formed o-rings to be unavailable, and nothing I have heard since contradicts this. OutFront has a stock of old ones they can lean on if they break one on teardown. And it is possible. If you don't align the back plate, then the running surface at the cam seal will be out by whatever the amount. Up to 1 thou by my estimates, which could cause some troubles with pounding out the seals. If you have access to a lathe, making an alignment mandrel is worth it, but you still have the problem of preserving the o-ring seals on teardown and reassembly. In short, a simple job but with a risk you will be worse off after cleaning than before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jersdunz Posted November 24, 2016 Author Share Posted November 24, 2016 Has the machine shop guy's seen the pistons ? Have you talked with them about the piston to wall gap's ? Having the surfaces decked is a good idea, helps the HG seal. You do have ARP heads studs going in, right ? A may have asked that already, but they are that important. If your doing the rings, do you know to open the gaps up a little more then the manual say's too ? The instructions included with the pistons calls for ring gap of bore x 0.0065 That puts it at 0.025 on cylinder 1 When I turned the piston around and measured it at the skirt it had the appropriate .003 I was measuring with a feeler gauge. I know that they are competent Adrian has built several of these engines. I'll post a pic of the piston sitting in the bore so the skirts are out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jersdunz Posted November 24, 2016 Author Share Posted November 24, 2016 It is completely do-able to open up the gear, but you need a 5-lobe tool of the right size and a mandrel to align the back plate when you put it back together. I did this in my rebuild. See post #45 here http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2005-legacy-gt-wagon-bone-stock-rebuild-239871p3.html At the time I understood the formed o-rings to be unavailable, and nothing I have heard since contradicts this. OutFront has a stock of old ones they can lean on if they break one on teardown. And it is possible. If you don't align the back plate, then the running surface at the cam seal will be out by whatever the amount. Up to 1 thou by my estimates, which could cause some troubles with pounding out the seals. If you have access to a lathe, making an alignment mandrel is worth it, but you still have the problem of preserving the o-ring seals on teardown and reassembly. In short, a simple job but with a risk you will be worse off after cleaning than before. I can't risk any problems. So I'll just shop them off Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jersdunz Posted November 24, 2016 Author Share Posted November 24, 2016 If your doing the rings, do you know to open the gaps up a little more then the manual say's too ? So what do you suggest for additional gap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StkmltS Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 If you look at one of my posts on the first page of my rebuild thread I listed the FSM specified ring gaps for LGTs and the "a little bigger" ring gap specified for STIs (same motor). The gap called out in the LGT FSM will work, or choose to go with the larger gap specified for STIs. In the end do whatever you feel comfortable with. A very general rule of thumb says you need at least 0.004" gap per inch of bore (.004 x 3.925). FWIW my rings were pre-gapped to the STI spec, and I haven't observed any measurable oil consumption since my rebuild 2000 miles ago. Sent from inner space. My DiySB rebuild Got Misfires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jersdunz Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 It makes me sad to know that only a few others can make use of the hard work of full range racings legacy kits.. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161125/5afb80ebf747902987aea28e676fef65.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jersdunz Posted November 26, 2016 Author Share Posted November 26, 2016 I got some stuff done today. It's funny how a sense of reality sets in when you start the process of reassembling these.. Like dark voice in your subconscious... DON'T F THIS UP... http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161126/ca96740f5c2bf8f97cf58237bfe33dfb.jpg http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161126/256c88c1d6b6e1c598fc6868640c146a.jpg http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161126/3e6732f34afbff0a51341e917532b96e.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jersdunz Posted November 26, 2016 Author Share Posted November 26, 2016 I just noticed that I'm missing An alignment pin.. Back to the intake puzzle.. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161126/bbca6dcd354f094d649332fe56d6c6c4.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jersdunz Posted November 27, 2016 Author Share Posted November 27, 2016 http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161127/0237cf86b0be1a233218d87c9541a84b.jpg Who doesn't like a good puzzle.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StkmltS Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Who doesn't like a good puzzle.. Good luck! I'm interested in hearing how long it takes to get all of those in the right spots. Is there any particular reason why you took them all off at once instead of just replacing them one at a time? My DiySB rebuild Got Misfires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jersdunz Posted November 29, 2016 Author Share Posted November 29, 2016 Good luck! I'm interested in hearing how long it takes to get all of those in the right spots. Is there any particular reason why you took them all off at once instead of just replacing them one at a time? Full engine rebuild and intake assembly tear down for cleaning all the little metal bits out of everything. The hose issues aren't going to be too bad the manual shows them pretty well the challenge is locating which file each assembly view is hidden in. Several of them have just fallen into place really. The little bent fuel lines around the regulation parts under & around the intake I'm probably going to have to buy OEM because trying to use straight line is just going to suck in those tight spaces. The good news is much better, Its really hard to even think about admitting this, but the dumb side of my brain took over. I have been reading my torque wrench wrong and everything I have done so far is over torqued by ten. There are 4 small holes that get to be tapped to the next size up. I may just do them all for sake of matching hardware. Luckily I noticed it only after doing one head... I will be taking her back apart and making sure everything is torqued correctly. Projects wouldn't be any fun if they didn't beat us back once in a while right.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jersdunz Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 Made some progress despite buying a washing machine, returning it, rebuilding the old one. And working nearly 60hrs this week. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161204/403863b64f1fc8fba79e23f742233fa8.jpg http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161204/1ff41d6845a236f71825dcfe62bc0f0e.jpg http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161204/710f84b6238ffcb86bf75cb391791298.jpg I found a cnt front mount kit for sale on face book. It showed up today. One more part of the check list. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161204/92682dfd8abf0e3177ea45bdc85957aa.jpg http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161204/d3a1cb34aba6411a05c9ad03ceef77e2.jpg http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161204/f32b3a349b5c1f7e7ec3474ec15c6219.jpg http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161204/b3e5964ccf80a964fef313ef506b111e.jpg Still need to locate some injectors and a fuel pump &Turbo Not sure If I mentioned I found a good deal on a V2 Access port a well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Subaru told me the avcs cam gears are a non serviceable item. They won't open them up. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Outfront should be 2t for each one. Much cheaper than buying new Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jersdunz Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 Outfront should be 2t for each one. Much cheaper than buying new I still haven't mailed them out. Will do this week hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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